Perz' Reave Shadow

You want a shield like this, usually cost 3-4ex.

If you go down the armor route, then you can take AR/ES shield too.

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biralo wrote:

You want a shield like this, usually cost 3-4ex.

If you go down the armor route, then you can take AR/ES shield too.

I think this shield costs no more than 10 chaos, to be honest. Just 400 ES and 500 evasion, without ANY additional stats (+10% coldres, lol)

For 3-4 exa, you can buy a hybrid shield with 450+ ES and decent stats on it (mana, resists, etc).

P.S. Just for comparison - i bought this shield for 4 chaos in Domination (where supply of good item was lower):

And it's better than one you linked (has high cold res and the same ES)

What items should be with ES? (SHIELD, CARCASS JACK...)?

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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plasticeyes wrote:

here's the strange thing, in practice I don't appear to have a problem getting stunned. How is this a possible since every CI build I've ever seen warns about the problems with stun and calls for an eye of chayula ?

Try to make a fight in some tough area (like Barracks) with and without stum immunity (Eye of Chayula for example). I bet you havent even tried that. When you'll try, you'll understand, why stun immunity is so awesome.

you are right. i simply used a cast on stun to see what was going on. what's amazing is how often i do _not_ get stunned. eye of chayula is hardly a requirement, well it might be against bosses (although i can tank kole). if you can kite a big mob you are good to go, little trickier definitely, but i'm not sure it's worth it given the amount of offense you lose by not being able to use a nice +flat damage/crit mult ammy.

the shock stacking from those damn witches is much, much more dangerous and the reason i died. Really i have found vulnerability->start attacking to be extremely successful against mobs. between the increased damage and increased stun probability i can stop a mob dead. it's amazing. i went to the docks, some of the dock workers hit very hard as well as the undying. no problems at all and i was getting stunned a decent amount. the barracks is tough purely because of the witches. i'm now much more worried about shock stacking. and chill/freezing is definitely more dangerous.

however, now i'm thinking, i wonder what i can connect to cast on stunned ? you know there is no gem level limit on it like there is on CwDT. I believe i'm going to experiment with that a little :-)

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

I think this shield costs no more than 10 chaos, to be honest. Just 400 ES and 500 evasion, without ANY additional stats (+10% coldres, lol)

For 3-4 exa, you can buy a hybrid shield with 450+ ES and decent stats on it (mana, resists, etc).

P.S. Just for comparison - i bought this shield for 4 chaos in Domination (where supply of good item was lower):

And it's better than one you linked (has high cold res and the same ES)

On Standard, prices are different, but yeah you are right, it's probably worth 1ex at most now, but I still see plenty of 3ex b.o lol

PS: You may just be lucky to buy it off someone who had no idea about prices.

PS2: your shield has 0 EVA, so don't compare apples with oranges

Stun chance scale with damage and your health pool and since CI have really low HP (calc is done with your HP pool without CI) you will get stunned very often when you need to leech non-stop.

Try to run on high maps, if you don't get stunned much don't use chayula. Remember ES have 50% avoid stun so you will only get stunned 50% of the time.

Also remember that this build deals with high damage with high life leech, If you get stunned your life leech goes to 0.

In all, i believe you are biased from weak mobs.

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Focusix wrote:

Stun chance scale with damage and your health pool and since CI have really low HP (calc is done with your HP pool without CI) you will get stunned very often when you need to leech non-stop.

Try to run on high maps, if you don't get stunned much don't use chayula. Remember ES have 50% avoid stun so you will only get stunned 50% of the time.

Also remember that this build deals with high damage with high life leech, If you get stunned your life leech goes to 0.

In all, i believe you are biased from weak mobs.

quite possibly. but the good news is i do have an eye of chayula - so i can just make sure i have it with me. which is exactly what i do :-)

anyway i will test some more. but you are right- in particular i don't run maps.

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biralo wrote:

On Standard, prices are different, but yeah you are right, it's probably worth 1ex at most now, but I still see plenty of 3ex b.o lol

PS: You may just be lucky to buy it off someone who had no idea about prices.

PS2: your shield has 0 EVA, so don't compare apples with oranges

Evasion doesnt matter much. I would rather get extra 30 cold resistance, than 500 evasion (or armour). You play with CI build, ES is your defence, why in the hell you want to use useless evasion, sacrificing ES and res?

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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biralo wrote:

On Standard, prices are different, but yeah you are right, it's probably worth 1ex at most now, but I still see plenty of 3ex b.o lol

PS: You may just be lucky to buy it off someone who had no idea about prices.

PS2: your shield has 0 EVA, so don't compare apples with oranges

Evasion doesnt matter much. I would rather get extra 30 cold resistance, than 500 evasion (or armour). You play with CI build, ES is your defence, why in the hell you want to use useless evasion, sacrificing ES and res?

Stacking flat ES without any armor is not so smart. white mobs will hit you for around 2-4k ES in high level maps. Thats why IR+grace is quite strong with ci, perma 50% phys reduction couple with granite flasks + charges can be 80-90+

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Sixnia wrote:

Stacking flat ES without any armor is not so smart. white mobs will hit you for around 2-4k ES in high level maps. Thats why IR+grace is quite strong with ci, perma 50% phys reduction couple with granite flasks + charges can be 80-90+

Oh, really?

Even if we assume that mobs hit for 2-4k (though this refers only to really hard-hitting mobs like Devourers, and with potent affixes, in fact). Actually, if you have 8-10K ES pool, you wont even care about those hits. Why? Because first or second hit will proc Immortal Call, and you will be immune to all subsequent hits. And damage mitigation from armour depends on damage dealt. To mitigate 50% from 1k damage, you will need 12k armour, to mitigate 50% from 2k, you will need 24k armour, and to mitigate 50% from 4k hit, you will need 48k armour! Note, that 4k damage per hit is still easily survivable with 8-10k ES. Now ask yourself - will you really have so many armour, that it will matter? I doubt it.
You plan to use Grace? Great Job! You will have to sacrifice either Discipline (good ES boost) or Hatred (immence DPS boost)... Have fun with handicapping yourself!
While i can agree, that drinking double-flasks (Granite+Jade) while having IR may prove useful sometimes, while i can agree, that extra evasion on shield wont hurt, i CANT agree when you intentionally sacrifice far more useless stats just to get some armour.

And armour saves only from physical, while ES pool saves from any damage.

Granite+Jade, both with 95+% increased armour/evasion + Eva/ES nodes from Shadow area (you will take them anyways), Unwavering Stance, and two extra points spent for IR - that is quite justified choice.
Grace isnt a justified choice.