Self-Found (League) [Thread outdated!]

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Qarl wrote:

I can give my current thoughts on self found.

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In the existing leagues, there is nothing stopping anyone from playing self-found, and we know many of our players do. We also have players that only engage rarely with other players, trading and partying occasionally.

So, as you can play self found in an existing league, I doubt we need to separate out the leagues. The question then is, are there progression problems with self found. I think there are two parts to this:

Can you play through self found? Currently there are issues with this, especially around the 40s. One of the main problems here is the availability of 4-linked items. Gear progression gets hard here, as replacement gear requires both beating existing gear in stats, and in skill support. This isn't usually an issue earlier, as you aren't needing full skill sets, and can skimp on stats and still progress quickly.

If we are going to make changes, it will likely be on the ability to make or the availability of 4 linked items.


The second issue is, what is the player expectation of self-found play. In general the main issue comes when players look to the top of ladders and to streamers to direct what their play experience would be like. This gives players a very distorted view of what they should be able to achieve. In general these players are pushing every advantage they can from trade, long play, group play.

Often, when I get told - "everyone is doing X", and I have a look, there are often only a handful of people doing, its just often these are the most visible. An example of this is 6-link Shavronne's. If I look at over level 90 characters, in all leagues, played in the last month, well under 50 players have Shavronne's Wrappings equipped. And if I look at the stats, if you want to die, wear a Shavronne's.

We will not be making a league to make it possible to replicate the play of these players. 1) We don't think its needed. 2) From past experience, if we make accommodations to make it possible to replicate these players, these players will still beat you. If we made a self found league with competitive advantages but solo play, you'll see the same players on top of those leagues, and we'll get a new set of complaints from people who want to replicate the achievements without the same investment.

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Arrowneous wrote:

The fun in playing any arpg comes from:

1. Questing and killing monsters
2. Looting for gear and currency
3. Experimenting with character builds (build diversity)
4. Immersion into the arpg with a rich storyline and lots of NPCs that have a story to tell us.
5. Group play
6. Item hunt (farming for item prgression) and trading

For the SFL desiring player the trading part is removed and I'm sure some would rank group play higher but putting details aside these are the basic reasons I'm/we're playing PoE. So for the SFL player, the item progression is key to going from level 1 on the Wraeclast beach to the final Merciless boss battle and the endgame maps. So for GGG to create a Self-Found League, a better item progression path needs to be implemented, a more generous currency drop rate on the crafting orbs, especially the Jeweller, Fusing, Chance, and such, with some kind of reasonable vendor recipes for the Jeweller and Fusing like you have for the BW and AS currency (which works well unlike some of the others).

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Finkenstein wrote:

Hi

SFL temporary 1-4 month at the end all characters on this league are erased.

SFL:1)No trades with other players.2)No mf rolls on blue or yellow items.3)Increased orb drop rates NOT items.4)No party benefits, no loot allocation timer(what drops for you is yours alone)

cheers

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arbait_333 wrote:

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Finkenstein wrote:

Hi

SFL temporary 1-4 month at the end all characters on this league are erased.

SFL:1)No trades with other players.2)No mf rolls on blue or yellow items.3)Increased orb drop rates NOT items.4)No party benefits, no loot allocation timer(what drops for you is yours alone)

cheers

nei.. perma or gtfo

in 4 months I would get to maps (if that)... this would be somewhat catering to casuals (aka people that cant play all day everyday) also 4mths sounds like ladder, no ladder in sfl

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RandallPOE wrote:

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arbait_333 wrote:

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Finkenstein wrote:

Hi

SFL temporary 1-4 month at the end all characters on this league are erased.

SFL:1)No trades with other players.2)No mf rolls on blue or yellow items.3)Increased orb drop rates NOT items.4)No party benefits, no loot allocation timer(what drops for you is yours alone)

cheers

nei.. perma or gtfo

in 4 months I would get to maps (if that)... this would be somewhat catering to casuals (aka people that cant play all day everyday) also 4mths sounds like ladder, no ladder in sfl

why no ladder? you could just choose to ignore the ladder if you have no interest in it

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TheAnuhart wrote:

Seuss parody

I am Scrotie

I am Scrotie
Scrotie I am

That Scrotie-I-am
That Scrotie-I-am!
I do not like
that Scrotie-I-am

Do you like
trade spam and scam

[snip]

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Kellog wrote:

I haven't and never will trade, with anyone for anything. Trading for me lessens the game experience.

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Kellog wrote:

With trading enabled, if I needed, for example, a specific gem, other than a reward item, I can simply buy it. Likewise with virtually any item.

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Kellog wrote:

I had a summoner - the most mind numbingly boring build I have ever played - with high MF and whilst, on occasion, I did get useful drops, the majority were sold to a vendor. I'm not disputing that MF is a way to better gear, but it's certainly not comparable to trading as a means to an end.

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Kellog wrote:

Do you honestly believe that a slight increase in drop rates would compensate for the ability to simply buy an upgrade?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

You really are starting to sound like a broken record.

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I can't figure out who in this thread actually has the experience to know what they're talking about,

And of course, you do! Even though you continue to completely miss the point and refuse to accept anything anyone says, if it doesn't conform to your way of thinking or match your expectations of what matters.

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and who is just talking out their ass.

Sounds familiar.

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That's something that's on all of you; it's an honor system. If you don't know what you're actually talking about, honestly, I'm not even saying you need to keep quiet — you can still say what you think, just be honest enough to qualify your statement with "it seems to me" or something similar so that we know your proclamations are essentially educated guesses. I have nothing against educated guesses; I do have something against novices posing as experts.

More 'expert' advice from the self-proclaimed expert.

I really couldn't care less what you believe any more, your mind-numbing walls of text, your blind refusal to accept that a play-style, other than yours, is desired, your constant attempts to derail the SFL threads and most of all, your tedious, condescending, arrogant bleating! You really make me feel like installing a certain userscript.