Self-Found (League) [Thread outdated!]

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Qarl wrote:

And if I look at the stats, if you want to die, wear a Shavronne's.

I'm glad someone agrees with me that shavs builds are squishy as fuck. I'll stay CI spork, tyvm.

What you all want is a league where everything is a lot easier to achieve. You go around posting how you love playing self-found and how good it feels to finally get what you are looking for without just tossing some orbs at someone to get it, and yet the next second you want better drops and higher orb success in a new league because you wont be able to trade there. Claiming the so called economy is responsible for the lower drop rates, the bad linking chances so that everything spins around trading. Correct me if I am wrong but I have not seen a post from GGG that says the drops are lower because you can trade. To me it seems that you are jealous that other people can or have gotten the stuff you want with less effort through trading or parting.

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Scorched wrote:

What you all want is a league where everything is a lot easier to achieve. You go around posting how you love playing self-found and how good it feels to finally get what you are looking for without just tossing some orbs at someone to get it, and yet the next second you want better drops and higher orb success in a new league because you wont be able to trade there. Claiming the so called economy is responsible for the lower drop rates, the bad linking chances so that everything spins around trading. Correct me if I am wrong but I have not seen a post from GGG that says the drops are lower because you can trade. To me it seems that you are jealous that other people can or have gotten the stuff you want with less effort through trading or parting.

See this is how I originally thought but just think about how hard it would be with a league the same as all others with trading disabled. That would be very hard imo. Pvp would be interesting(really hoping pvp is good in the release) and I'd love to be like look at my beast of a character and yup I found all of it you wanta piece :)



P.S. I don't want anything easier. I'd actually prefer much harder. Also I don't really care if there is a SFL. I'm just adding my two cents :)

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Scorched wrote:

What you all want is a league where everything is a lot easier to achieve.

It constantly amazes me how many people seem to think that SFL means loot raining from the sky and an easier game.

The easier game is default, you can simply grind cash and go to the supermarket to buy whatever high powered unique or gem, or whatever that your build happens to need. Hell, you don't really need to even play much of the hack n' slash, it's easier to get cash by playing the buy cheap and sell high trading game. Look at the thread with the trader with over 3000 exalt. No SFL player is ever going to find that much.

Even with increased drops, you will never match the ease of getting specific items that you have now with the buy what need trading.

While in SFL you might never get a certain gem or unique to drop, you have to make do with what you find.

GGG have stated many times that the game is based around trading, and that players are expected to trade to get what they need.

SFL is how argp's were originally played, and it's now considered wrong to want to play this way and everyone must play the trading game instead. The way the game is set at the moment, the only way to get anywhere is to play the trading game.



I really suspect a lot of the "there must be no SFL" is traders worried that they might lose the most profitable of customers, those who don't trade very often and are easy to rip off with the traders inflated prices,

Still going to see what happens at release.

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Scorched wrote:

What you all want is a league where everything is a lot easier to achieve.

Well since all I want is an SFL without any other changes except perhaps some to getting gems being easier to save time....

Yea, easier.

lol. Just lol.

I am terribly confused by some people's apparent need for a separate league just to do self-found. I almost never trade in this game and I have not really found myself stagnating before I get to the end of Act 3 Merc. People are saying "If we disable trading, we can increase the drop rates for solo players!" Well yes, but that implies there is something wrong with the current drop rates for solo players. There simply is not. It is absolutely possible to progress through the game without trading, I do a lot of it. If you want to play self-found just do it. You neither need nor deserve a buff in drop rates for that.

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SpudOfDoom wrote:

I am terribly confused by some people's apparent need for a separate league just to do self-found. I almost never trade in this game and I have not really found myself stagnating before I get to the end of Act 3 Merc. People are saying "If we disable trading, we can increase the drop rates for solo players!" Well yes, but that implies there is something wrong with the current drop rates for solo players. There simply is not. It is absolutely possible to progress through the game without trading, I do a lot of it. If you want to play self-found just do it. You neither need nor deserve a buff in drop rates for that.

Do you play hardcore or softcore? What do you think of the crafting system?

I play softcore almost exclusively, mostly because my internet is pretty jittery at times.

I think the crafting system is pretty good. Alt, Alch, Chaos and socket orbs will give you pretty much everything you need. I agree that the most annoying thing is to upgrade items when you are at the point that you need specific links. I think the buff to 4-link rates will help a lot with that.

Of course, you'll be a lot worse off than when you make your character with trades/twinked items, etc. but it still seems to be at least viable from my experience. The main thing is that you will need to build under the assumption that you will never find a unique.

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SpudOfDoom wrote:

The main thing is that you will need to build under the assumption that you will never find a unique.

Very good point there. My self-found experience went rather well, and was built under similar assumptions.

So a constructive question for everyone: Do your self-found plans revolve around particular uniques, or a particular five- or six-socket gem combination? If so, please explain your reasoning.

Hi

SFL 1+

I tend to build around the gem quest drop. The issue I have with SFL in the standard league is the lack of crafting materials. The orb drops do not drop regularly enough to promote crafting over trading. I play a average of 3-4 hours a day and finding a chaos, regal, alch, etc. is like waiting to see the blue moon. Meanwhile I sit and craft with shit loads of trans,alts,augs at lvl 78, sarcasm:yah blue items!... SFL isn't about trading and raining items, it is about orbs dropping at a reasonable rate without player stacking mf to allow crafting at a more regular pace. Qarl knows the drops are iffy in this game and needs to be fixed, perhaps if monsters started dropping fragments of all orbs that might help or more complex crafting recipes.
I find 4l easy enough its the 5l...

Mostly though I want to play a SFL because I am tired of 2 things: not enough crafting, to much inflation in trade.

Every league requires things that would make it a unique playing experience SFL would/could offer:
1)No trades with other players.2)No mf rolls on blue or yellow items.3)Increased rare/high tier orb drops NOT items.4)No party benefits, permanent loot allocation.5)More complex recipes and orbs for crafting specific mods on items.

Still waiting to see these new changes and how they will work on SFL oriented players.

cheers