Self-Found (League) [Thread outdated!]

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Wraeclastian wrote:

I know it has already been said a million times but... Don't trade or buy from other players and you have self-found.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Wraeclastian wrote:

I know it has already been said a million times but... Don't trade or buy from other players and you have self-found.

Why do people keep saying this like its some kind of revelation? I mean, if your going to disagree with the idea of a self found league then why not actually respond to the many reasons given in this thread for why people want it in the first place. Obviously people don't think the game works self found in the current leagues.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

[ There will always be people with no lives who can play the game for 10 hours per day and get a leg up on them while they work or sleep.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

Those people are just whining because other people are better at farming and trading. Even if there was a self-found league, those same exact people are going to complain about RNG at the very least, because other people are finding more currency and unique items.

The advocates for self-found leagues think they will magically be put on an even playing field but they won't. There will always be people with no lives who can play the game for 10 hours per day and get a leg up on them while they work or sleep.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

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Wraeclastian wrote:

I know it has already been said a million times but... Don't trade or buy from other players and you have self-found.

Why do people keep saying this like its some kind of revelation? I mean, if your going to disagree with the idea of a self found league then why not actually respond to the many reasons given in this thread for why people want it in the first place. Obviously people don't think the game works self found in the current leagues.

Those people are just whining because other people are better at farming and trading. Even if there was a self-found league, those same exact people are going to complain about RNG at the very least, because other people are finding more currency and unique items.

The advocates for self-found leagues think they will magically be put on an even playing field but they won't. There will always be people with no lives who can play the game for 10 hours per day and get a leg up on them while they work or sleep.

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MierenEronaile wrote:

I think a sfl league would be awesome though. So yea, im an advocate of SFL and im already on that equal footing you are talking about(Made 7 exalts today. Was fun, two dropped, heartbreaker dropped, and I sold two 20/20 gems I leveled this week.)

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MierenEronaile wrote:

So yea, im an advocate of SFL and im already on that equal footing you are talking about(Made 7 exalts today. Was fun, two dropped, heartbreaker dropped, and I sold two 20/20 gems I leveled this week.)

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Wraeclastian wrote:

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MierenEronaile wrote:

So yea, im an advocate of SFL and im already on that equal footing you are talking about(Made 7 exalts today. Was fun, two dropped, heartbreaker dropped, and I sold two 20/20 gems I leveled this week.)

LOL, there is nothing self-found about what you just described.

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Qarl wrote:

I can give my current thoughts on self found.

In the existing leagues, there is nothing stopping anyone from playing self-found, and we know many of our players do. We also have players that only engage rarely with other players, trading and partying occasionally.

So, as you can play self found in an existing league, I doubt we need to separate out the leagues. The question then is, are there progression problems with self found. I think there are two parts to this:

Can you play through self found? Currently there are issues with this, especially around the 40s. One of the main problems here is the availability of 4-linked items. Gear progression gets hard here, as replacement gear requires both beating existing gear in stats, and in skill support. This isn't usually an issue earlier, as you aren't needing full skill sets, and can skimp on stats and still progress quickly.

If we are going to make changes, it will likely be on the ability to make or the availability of 4 linked items.


The second issue is, what is the player expectation of self-found play. In general the main issue comes when players look to the top of ladders and to streamers to direct what their play experience would be like. This gives players a very distorted view of what they should be able to achieve. In general these players are pushing every advantage they can from trade, long play, group play.

Often, when I get told - "everyone is doing X", and I have a look, there are often only a handful of people doing, its just often these are the most visible. An example of this is 6-link Shavronne's. If I look at over level 90 characters, in all leagues, played in the last month, well under 50 players have Shavronne's Wrappings equipped. And if I look at the stats, if you want to die, wear a Shavronne's.

We will not be making a league to make it possible to replicate the play of these players. 1) We don't think its needed. 2) From past experience, if we make accommodations to make it possible to replicate these players, these players will still beat you. If we made a self found league with competitive advantages but solo play, you'll see the same players on top of those leagues, and we'll get a new set of complaints from people who want to replicate the achievements without the same investment.