[1.0.6] CI Crit Dagger Shadow (30k DPS Flicker Ninja) [OB video up!]

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Invalesco wrote:

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hellzer wrote:

Go ask Mark yourself.

No need to. He already mentioned these in this thread:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/53275/page/3

yeah on the 19th of October. Pretty old post you got there considering we're playing Path of Exile.

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hellzer wrote:

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Invalesco wrote:

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hellzer wrote:

Go ask Mark yourself.

No need to. He already mentioned these in this thread:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/53275/page/3

yeah on the 19th of October. Pretty old post you got there considering we're playing Path of Exile.

Well, even then I see no reason to believe that those nodes have changed in any way since then. If you can back up your facts with an official statement from Mark or one of the devs I'll be more than willing to hold up my hands and admit I'm wrong. Till then, I see no reason to change my understanding of the mechanics.

And don't ask me to ask Mark. The devs are busy enough dealing with OB as it is, I'm disinclined to add to their workload. If you want to you can ask him of course, but count me out.

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Invalesco wrote:

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Azraghon wrote:

One of the major issues I'm having is what to do about blood rage. How do you make up for all that life lose. Yes there is more in the Marauder and Templar tree, but you can pick up a point in golems blood in the duelist and the points around it. So your looking at 1.8% life regen vs 2.9% the way your going. You should be able to compensate for the rest from either flasks or life leach.

Well spotted! Yup, that's the reason. The way I'm going gives me 2.9% base life regen. Throw in Vitality and i'll get 4.3% life regen at least. That allows me to run Blood Rage FOC. In fact, once I level BR and the cost drops below 4% of life lost per second, I get to use blood rage with a net profit even. Won't have to use flasks nor compensate by constantly leeching. Plus, I'm still in a dilemma whether to use Inner Force. Haven't decided yet although I'm currently leaning towards not using it. The proximity of my pathing to inner force will make it an interesting possibility still for others following the build and who might want to use it.

Again your probably a lot better at this then me, but you get 2.3% life regeneration in the duelist tree vs 2.9% from the Marauder/Templar tree. I don't think .6% is enough to give up "unwavering stance" "diamond skin" and "Point blank". Not to mention the extra damage from the 2 more frenzy charges and more crit-multipliers, and if you don't like "twin terrors" you can pick up "flaying" and a shield. If your having survivability issues there are more easy health nodes to hit.

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYB_5MeGjBUmVcoKrVIbXtVSyaVjDbrjq7Pk_yH22HiFr_z6nBScNXAUeOEDkinNBGWnaP8q3_GwcWIQpAbcFaaE9vUJ6labSQ8p1xJUVbqBX3p_rl8Nj2lywzyBbWNv1FHMwz-KxnV_94-z73m-WPnVCT91QCquKp_hxkwfH8rd9d0QaTCVvr8xWegh3ZKfd0NW6_Q7vejYnkV9gAGTiq2QVoaLIV08Z65IWBAoAUtxFgn1e9OKLVgiGFSMgmfy91GY6f8ThR1Ou2fJ7TFl9BW9bk-225944hrGdcOrSml

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Azraghon wrote:

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Invalesco wrote:

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Azraghon wrote:

One of the major issues I'm having is what to do about blood rage. How do you make up for all that life lose. Yes there is more in the Marauder and Templar tree, but you can pick up a point in golems blood in the duelist and the points around it. So your looking at 1.8% life regen vs 2.9% the way your going. You should be able to compensate for the rest from either flasks or life leach.

Well spotted! Yup, that's the reason. The way I'm going gives me 2.9% base life regen. Throw in Vitality and i'll get 4.3% life regen at least. That allows me to run Blood Rage FOC. In fact, once I level BR and the cost drops below 4% of life lost per second, I get to use blood rage with a net profit even. Won't have to use flasks nor compensate by constantly leeching. Plus, I'm still in a dilemma whether to use Inner Force. Haven't decided yet although I'm currently leaning towards not using it. The proximity of my pathing to inner force will make it an interesting possibility still for others following the build and who might want to use it.

Again your probably a lot better at this then me, but you get 2.3% life regeneration in the duelist tree vs 2.9% from the Marauder/Templar tree. I don't think .6% is enough to give up "unwavering stance" "diamond skin" and "Point blank". Not to mention the extra damage from the 2 more frenzy charges and more crit-multipliers, and if you don't like "twin terrors" you can pick up "flaying" and a shield. If your having survivability issues there are more easy health nodes to hit.

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYB_5MeGjBUmVcoKrVIbXtVSyaVjDbrjq7Pk_yH22HiFr_z6nBScNXAUeOEDkinNBGWnaP8q3_GwcWIQpAbcFaaE9vUJ6labSQ8p1xJUVbqBX3p_rl8Nj2lywzyBbWNv1FHMwz-KxnV_94-z73m-WPnVCT91QCquKp_hxkwfH8rd9d0QaTCVvr8xWegh3ZKfd0NW6_Q7vejYnkV9gAGTiq2QVoaLIV08Z65IWBAoAUtxFgn1e9OKLVgiGFSMgmfy91GY6f8ThR1Ou2fJ7TFl9BW9bk-225944hrGdcOrSml

You know, you raised some interesting points there. I'm gonna have a go at coming up with a suitable Dex/IR build and see how it compares with the Armour/HP version one I came up with. Will update later!

Well spotted! Yup, that's the reason. The way I'm going gives me 2.9% base life regen. Throw in Vitality and i'll get 4.3% life regen at least. That allows me to run Blood Rage FOC. In fact, once I level BR and the cost drops below 4% of life lost per second, I get to use blood rage with a net profit even. Won't have to use flasks nor compensate by constantly leeching. Plus, I'm still in a dilemma whether to use Inner Force. Haven't decided yet although I'm currently leaning towards not using it. The proximity of my pathing to inner force will make it an interesting possibility still for others following the build and who might want to use it.[/quote]


Again your probably a lot better at this then me, but you get 2.3% life regeneration in the duelist tree vs 2.9% from the Marauder/Templar tree. I don't think .6% is enough to give up "unwavering stance" "diamond skin" and "Point blank". Not to mention the extra damage from the 2 more frenzy charges and more crit-multipliers, and if you don't like "twin terrors" you can pick up "flaying" and a shield. If your having survivability issues there are more easy health nodes to hit.

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYB_5MeGjBUmVcoKrVIbXtVSyaVjDbrjq7Pk_yH22HiFr_z6nBScNXAUeOEDkinNBGWnaP8q3_GwcWIQpAbcFaaE9vUJ6labSQ8p1xJUVbqBX3p_rl8Nj2lywzyBbWNv1FHMwz-KxnV_94-z73m-WPnVCT91QCquKp_hxkwfH8rd9d0QaTCVvr8xWegh3ZKfd0NW6_Q7vejYnkV9gAGTiq2QVoaLIV08Z65IWBAoAUtxFgn1e9OKLVgiGFSMgmfy91GY6f8ThR1Ou2fJ7TFl9BW9bk-225944hrGdcOrSml[/quote]

You know, you raised some interesting points there. I'm gonna have a go at coming up with a suitable Dex/IR build and see how it compares with the Armour/HP version one I came up with. Will update later![/quote]

FYI I meant "Crystal skin" you already had a "Diamond skin" LOL I have made like 6 versions of this build too. If you start off by going around that out side branch you can pick up lots of different various of point weather defensive or offensive depending on what you need.

Came up with this in the end for the dex build:


It actually did much better than I thought!

Notable differences:
The dex build has significantly higher base Accuracy: 784 vs 364
The dex build although with a slightly higher %life, still loses out on overall life due to a lack of base life.
The str build will end up with higher mana from higher int as well as the %incr. max ES
The dex build will have 6 frenzy charges vs 3 from the str.
The str build will have 4 endurance charges vs 3 from the dex.
The dex build will end up with higher effective armour
The str build will possibly have better defence versus enemy crits.

The bolded areas were areas which were particularly attractive

However, at the end of the day I still believe that the str build is more suitable for the gameplay that my build requires. The Str will have a higher DPS due to the higher elemental damage plus the fact that I will run Haste instead of Grace, which I would be forced to run if I headed IR.

Other Reasons:
The Str build has higher %accuracy, allowing it to make up for the loss of base accuracy with items that have higher +accuracy

Frenzy charges won't matter much because I'm constantly spamming flicker to consume them. The attack speed difference between 4 frenzy and 6 frenzy is easily made up for by haste, plus higher DPS = 1 hit KO = Flicker cooldown reset.

Although having higher armour and higher DR as a result is attractive, I think my gameplay is more of a hit and run, kill fast, offense is the best defense life leech kind of build.

Attached is the comparison between the two. Dex on right, Str on left.

Couple more quick ideas things I need to try, that you might want to consider. Aerobatics seems like a serious one point wonder. Now I skipped it cause that one guy had a serious boner for "unwavering stance". The problem with "unwavering stance" is that it takes off evasion from gear forcing you to wear marauder gear or pick up "iron reflexes" as well and wear any gear from the bottom 3 classes on the passive tree. Now "aerobatics" "phase aerobatics" and "arrow dodge" are pretty impressive one point wonders, but again now your limiting your gear options. Which might not be a bad thing with how garbage armor is at high levels.

armor is

reduction = armour / (armour + 20*damage)

and evasion is

Chance to evade = (ER / [ER + 100])

Keep it CI as it was. The only thing they really changed is the immunity to chaos, other than that - not a big deal. However, now you all running away like pussies just because Invalesco changed his mind and now everybody is going to follow him blindly...

Won't see any originality these days... *sigh*

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Azraghon wrote:

Couple more quick ideas things I need to try, that you might want to consider. Aerobatics seems like a serious one point wonder. Now I skipped it cause that one guy had a serious boner for "unwavering stance". The problem with "unwavering stance" is that it takes off evasion from gear forcing you to wear marauder gear or pick up "iron reflexes" as well and wear any gear from the bottom 3 classes on the passive tree. Now "aerobatics" "phase aerobatics" and "arrow dodge" are pretty impressive one point wonders, but again now your limiting your gear options. Which might not be a bad thing with how garbage armor is at high levels.

armor is

reduction = armour / (armour + 20*damage)

and evasion is

Chance to evade = (ER / [ER + 100])

I actually don't mind Acrobatics. I think it's quite a decent node for protection against mobs and offers better protection than armour at later levels. What I don't like however is the fact that it might not offer me as much protection as I would like against myself. By that I mean reflect damage. I think the potential to one shot myself with reflect considering i'm a physical dps build is very real.

and personally I don't feel that US is necessary as long as you have high enough HP.

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hellzer wrote:

Keep it CI as it was. The only thing they really changed is the immunity to chaos, other than that - not a big deal. However, now you all running away like pussies just because Invalesco changed his mind and now everybody is going to follow him blindly...

Won't see any originality these days... *sigh*

heh I highly doubt I have as much influence as kripp does. and yes this build will remain CI. I haven't changed my mind at all. I'll wait for OB before I post updates to this build.