This a Bot

1) This is beta, banning for such a small thing would be insane. It just shows what might happen

2) Solution to bots is only one: MAKE IT WORTHLESS.

And I really mean it. And that is what they will do (besides banning the obvious loons). Game must be made in such a way to discourage or make boting very very hard and unrewarding.

If there is no incentive to bot there won't be any boters.

While this is hard to achieve with a game like this boting can still be severely hampered and made redundant in most cases. Clever people will just find ways to make their gameplay easier. That cannot be a crime. The problem is when someone starts to sell things like that or when one gets a really tough advantage.

3 people playing one char in 8 hour shifts could also be considered unfair advantage ladder-wise, no? But it is not.

So it is a VERY thin line between boting and just assisting. Maybe just define boting by "game played using a program". But again, what is a ebay farmer if not a person that is degraded to a level of bot program. And usually cheaper to pay than make a bot.

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Neikius wrote:

2) Solution to bots is only one: MAKE IT WORTHLESS.

Its simply not possible thing to do in HnS. If you make botting worthless you will screw the game like in D3 (no drops from breakables, lowering drop rates, NV stacks and other 'genius' ideas - there i lot of them in D3).

"botproof' HnS game is Hard SF and will never happen. Its design fault and we cant do shit about this.

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100% no cheat policy (including scripting) or this game will follow in D3 footsteps

first, i'm against cheaters who destroy my game experience. f.e. i stopped playing titan quest after getting loads of unique items from a hack while playing it online the first time. it totally destroyed the fun for me.

and you really can't prevent scripting. autohotkey is running on all of my computers for example. i hate when programs are scanning the whole memory like (i read) the WoW client did and restrict your own use of your hardware.
even if you do that, a transparent proxy is out of your game client's reach which you can counter by encrypting the network data but which is increasing server load dramatically.
another other option is to pre-register all players accounts by credit card data or similar which seriously restricts your games acceptance in the community.

the devs aim should be (and probably is) to design the game in a way that discourages people to cheat (no RMAH) or make it impossible by game design by asking for decisions ingame which a bot can't handle. i can see no fun in a game in the long run if a bot can play it for me.

making a game non commercial was the first step into the right decision. others will follow, i'm pretty positive about that.

I will not discuss with you boting here im just want you to know that i dont care what you use on your computers in other games./applications and i hope you'll get banned for use autohotkeys/scripts/autoclickers/pixelsniping and whatever else you like to use IN POE.

Just click your mouse ond hit keyboard buttons - its not that hard. Its not a work - its a game. If you find POE a chare to this level that you must automate it to save time or whatever then just quit it because apparently its not fun for you.
Its simple... if you dont want PLAY a GAME dont play it.

EOT for me and im really eager to see 'iron fist' of banhammer in Open Beta. Also im very happy that GGG ackonowleded danger of scriptnig in aRPG (yes IT WILL destroy the game without bans. True Story based on factss and previous games).

PS. RMAH is not a topic here and is irrevelant to this discussion.

YOU mentioned the auction house in D3 which i consider a design failure in the first place :-)

last point from me:
what about the inofficial browser plugin which searches your stash for the "2-3 same rare names"-recipe?

using it would spare me 2 hours writing down and sorting the list of my 3 tabs of helmets and 2 tabs of gloves and 4 tabs of chests on my player account.

it's definitely automated scripting and i cannot see it already banned nor you raging about it in the forum although it gives you an unfair advantage over other players. it even endangers the server infrastructure when used by too many people.

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cronus wrote:

it's definitely automated scripting

No its not.

You dont have idea what you talking about. And i will not educate you what is botting (playing without psyhical involvment) and what is not.


Eot for me. GGG has spoken. Scripting liki in this thread WILL BE bannable in Open Beta.
And this is very good news because tis game economy will have chance to last more that couple weeks or even days (Diablo 3).

regarding banhammer and iron fist:

how do you want to ban people in a free to play game when all you need to restart is a router reset and a new email address?

the only way is to make the game intelligent so that bots don't work. period.

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cronus wrote:

the only way is to make the game intelligent so that bots don't work. period.

And like i tell you - its not possible. You dont have idea what modern bots are capable of.

Srsly EOT.

And like i tell you - you dont want play a game like its inteded and designed and like thousands of other players plays - dont play it at all.
You fing game boring so you think about automating gameplay? - dont play at all.
Its great principle not only in online video games.

PS. Nothing personal here. Its for all ppl that justify scripting in this thread.

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Kabraxis wrote:

No its not.

It is a script which does the same as tehHammers script does, it searches in the stash for items and gives you information about item combinations you wouldn't have without it.

additionally it endangers account security because you let a script access your server profile. if somebody manages to corrupt the download source he gets access to all these profiles.

if all people would use it, it would be a DOS attack to the webserver. especially after open beta.

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Kabraxis wrote:

No its not.