This a Bot

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Kabraxis wrote:

It is a script which does the same as tehHammers script does, it searches in the stash for items and gives you information about item combinations you wouldn't have without it.

additionally it endangers account security because you let a script access your server profile. if somebody manages to corrupt the download source he gets access to all these profiles.

if all people would use it, it would be a DOS attack to the webserver. especially after open beta.

You really should stop because it's clear you DON'T have a clue what you're talking about and you are just making yourself look silly.

In case you really don't know, this is taken right out of the Chrome Extension thread:

Did you check with the devs before releasing this?

No. The information this application uses is freely available in your browser, queried via the same methods that the PoE site itself uses. I don't see mashups of this nature as something for which one needs to seek permission.

Is this a hack?

No, it doesn't use the game in any shape or form. Just the item browser from the website, in exactly the same way a human would use it.

Main difference is that this Chrome extension dont use the game, dont speed up things in game, and dont work without psychical involvment.

Basically - its handy tool not a bot. OP write a bot.

BTW from other thread 9about future EULA:

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Chris wrote:

I can assure you that when we enter Open Beta we'll clarify our stance on this and that stance will be a ban for any form of client modification or unattended automation.

EOT and mods please close this thread. It has very negative 'educational value'. :)

TehHammer,

As a fellow IT professional, I greatly admire your skills and talent.

I envy you guys on the apps dev side of the shop who can pull these these things off.

Cheers!



To everyone else, chill, Chris already said they have a plan. Better to have found this now before the game goes live and you can't rollback.

Two questions for everyone:

1) If I did it manually, and not with a script, was it OK?

Leading up to the 2nd question...

So a while back (I haven't used it in months) I wrote a script to automatically buy fusings from the vendor. It would grab a fusing, put it in an inventory slot, grab another, put it in another inventory slot, then stack them (as you can't buy an orb and place it in a stack, it must go in an empty slot first). This is obviously not economy breaking, as it's essentially a lateral move in the economy. It was considerably faster than myself doing it manually and much easier on my wrist.

2) Is this OK?

If you answered yes to the first question, and no to the 2nd question, then I would argue that you have very messed up ethics.

What was wrong with what I did was abusing an exploit, not necessarily the automating part. Anyone with a gaming mouse is probably running a macro (read: automation) of some sort on it, even if it's something as simple as a keystroke assignment to a button. That's automation.

So, I should have told the devs about the exploitable vendor recipe, right? Well, it's something they already knew about. It's been discussed in general chat (and recently in a thread). Should I have sent them a YouTube video showing it in use (or perhaps the script itself)? Perhaps, that way they'd know exactly how exploitable it was, but I'm not sure it would have changed the timeline on getting it fixed at all.

Also, Chris said "unattended automation"... so I suppose if I sit there and watch my script do its thing, it's ok? (which I did quite often, I might add). No, because (back to question one) it's abusing an exploit. Automation as simple as this is not the problem, the exploit is.

Exploit (ek'sploit')
An act or deed, especially a brilliant or heroic one. See Synonyms at feat.

• 1. to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc.), esp unethically or unjustly for one's own ends
• 2. to make the best use of to exploit natural resources

I've done both of the things you listed. I've got a stash tab full of rare Thicket Bows (no combinations of which resulted in a 6 slot 5 link). Grits wanted me to convert something like 300 alteration orbs for him once, ran a script that did it.

Not sure why everyone's getting their panties in a bunch about you doing it, they're probably just upset they didn't think of doing it, despite it being discussed EVERYWHERE.

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TehHammer wrote:

Two questions for everyone:

1) If I did it manually, and not with a script, was it OK?

It being the (so-called) exploit? If it were any exploit you knew would damage the economy, I would actually argue it would be immoral to do so. Perhaps I differ on this stance than most, but I don't agree with taking advantage of a system, regardless of the ramifications of your actions, just because it allows you to do so.

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TehHammer wrote:

So a while back (I haven't used it in months) I wrote a script to automatically buy fusings from the vendor. It would grab a fusing, put it in an inventory slot, grab another, put it in another inventory slot, then stack them (as you can't buy an orb and place it in a stack, it must go in an empty slot first). This is obviously not economy breaking, as it's essentially a lateral move in the economy. It was considerably faster than myself doing it manually and much easier on my wrist.

2) Is this OK?

No.

Though, in one case (I think, could be wrong with how you worded your post) you are talking about a recipe exploit. In another you are not. I don't quite think the two questions follow completely.

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TehHammer wrote:

If you answered yes to the first question, and no to the 2nd question, then I would argue that you have very messed up ethics.

No, I wouldn't say that is so. As you say, your automation allows you to quickly perform standard actions, especially repetitive ones. (And, as this is an ARPG, there are a lot of those.) Many people here enjoy the competition between players (and the devs often give rewards), of which speed is often a factor. I would say automation---even without some recipe exploit, duping process, etc.---gives an unnatural advantage that can break the spirit of the game. (I'm not actually someone who cares about competition in games, nor do I care about the sanctity of sport, or what have you.)

It's also annoying to be in a game populated with bots, with a chat that's spammed by trading scripts.

Anyway, perhaps even GGG disagree with me on this stance. I just don't think any sort of scripting advantage should be allowed in a game that tries to have player competition as a major aspect.

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TehHammer wrote:

What was wrong with what I did was abusing an exploit, not necessarily the automating part. Anyone with a gaming mouse is probably running a macro (read: automation) of some sort on it, even if it's something as simple as a keystroke assignment to a button. That's automation.

It seems the semantics need work.

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TehHammer wrote:

Also, Chris said "unattended automation"... so I suppose if I sit there and watch my script do its thing, it's ok? (which I did quite often, I might add). No, because (back to question one) it's abusing an exploit. Automation as simple as this is not the problem, the exploit is.

I think that's just unfortunate wording. I don't think it would be rational to be OK with supervised bots but not unsupervised bots.

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TheRabbit303 wrote:

Not sure why everyone's getting their panties in a bunch about you doing it, they're probably just upset they didn't think of doing it, despite it being discussed EVERYWHERE.

You must have mistaken me and most of the PoE closed beta community here for someone who wants to run bots.

Oh, and on your internet definition: Since we are not exploiting natural resources here, the exploit at hand actually refers to TehHammer's simulation of mule accounts to do manual work based on a script, which in effect generates 5l and 6s items (read: wealth) for him without requiring any physical involvement/input from him. Now, since the above script is not a feature that comes with the game and it is not available to me or the rest of the players, then yes, TehHammer is in fact, ek'sploit'ing the game.

If you need any more clarification, I'll be glad to give you a PM too.

PS: Thank god, we are still in closed beta (to convey my stance on the matter)

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Semptimilius wrote:

Though, in one case (I think, could be wrong with how you worded your post) you are talking about a recipe exploit. In another you are not. I don't quite think the two questions follow completely.

The two questions are quite simple, one is avoiding automation but still doing something unethical, the other is using automation to do something completely ethical. If you think the former is OK, you have ethics issues. Period. If you think the latter is not OK, then your ability to discern right from wrong is flawed.

As I mentioned, a mouse macro is a form of automation, so where's the line? 1 key stroke? 2 key strokes? 3 key strokes? The minute the mouse cursor wiggles without my hand actually doing the wiggling? See, you're looking at the wrong thing, it's an ethics issue, not an automation issue.

The real issue at hand isn't that this was done. Reasonable people can see that finding such things in beta is preferable to finding them after release.

The real issue is reporting. The person doing this should report it as an exploitable mechanic. If it was not reported, but was exploited, then there is an issue of integrity. People who will abuse the game in beta with no intention of reporting will do the same after beta.

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Kabraxis wrote:

So basiccaly in this thread we have:

1. Exploit that now is revealed and everybody talking about 'how to bot in Poe" without any consequequences.

2. Person who finds this exploit decide to abuse it with custom AutoIT scripts to meke good items, he was caught and.... nothing?

3. We know about this exploit only bacause someone decides not to abouse it but report it (OP of this thread).

No bans? No Warnings? Nothing?
Dev response? "we will fix this".
Not even "this is strictly prohibited" ?
Cmon.....

Hilarious.

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I'm not going to defend what I did, but I helped it get discovered prior to open beta, that's gotta count for something?

You dont help at all. You just use exploit with illegal software and you decide to not report this exploit.

You should be permabanned.
Everyone that use and abuse this to get items without reporting a bug/exploit to GG should be permabanned.

Im dissapointed with Chris reaction. It looks like another game with care policy for cheaters.

PS. And this thread should be deleted ASAP. Official game forums are not good place to discus AutoIT scripts.
Less ppl that read this = better for game.

I don't see how it is even cheating? Show me where he agreed to not do something like this? Its a balance issue that they devs need to fix, nothing more.