[1.0.1b] Summoner Guide / Minion Guide

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MrS wrote:

Does Blood Rage works with Minions?
If they kill mobs do you get the Frenzy Charges ?

When you kill a mob in party does it benefit from the more life for mobs per player?(BM's = OP?)

Does added Chaos dmg works with BM ?

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Support gems which has NO EFFECT or less Effect
x Power charge on Crit
x Minion Dmg
x Remote Mine

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Pravus wrote:

I like to check back to this thread from time to time just to see what new information you guys have discovered (great job, btw! Keep up the good work!) but I've found something in one of the recent changes on the first page that's puzzling me.

I mainly play on a heavy spectre build summoner and my favorite enemy to spectre has always been Blackguard Arcmages (I keep 5 of them with me most of the time). I saw that their portion of the guide has recently been revised, however, with this section included:

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Support gems which has NO EFFECT or less Effect
x Power charge on Crit
x Minion Dmg
x Remote Mine

Now I know that Power Charge on Crit obviously doesn't work but I've been using Minion Damage and Remote Mine with them for months now. While I don't necessarily doubt your findings, I searched for over an hour and could not find a source for when this test was made and confirmed. I can't currently independently confirm or deny your findings because my spectres do so much damage anyway that I can't tell much difference by switching other support gems in and out to replace them (They generally 1-2 shot everything I encounter except bosses already).

Could anyone clarify for me why these supports are a poor choice for Arcmages? I was under the impression that Remote Mine worked with any spellcaster type of mob made into a spectre (in fact, the guide even says this still on the first page) and Arcmages are definitely of the spell casting enemy type. Also with Minion Damage I can't really see what the downside to using it is/why it wouldn't affect Arcmages.

Any explanation would be great! Thanks guys!

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HaleBopp wrote:

The arcmage ofc do benefit from Remote mine and minion dmg. It was a ERROR/mistake from my side i had the format "gems which has less effect" and copy pasted it from BM to ARC mage thats why there are errors in it . i ll make a correction asap :) thx for this .

i try to keep the guide as simple/correct as possible pls go on with corrections :) all are welcome. the guide got a "size" i didnt expect in any way.

it started more or less with "gathered information for my laziness" which more or less "grew" to a guide
thx to all ur inputs.

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dessloc wrote:

TL;DR Executive Summary: Minion Life DOES increase the damage of UF, as does Increased Burning Damage. Minion Damage and Remote Mine do not materially affect the damage of UF.


I had a bit of time and tested out BMs/specter gem combos. All tests were conducted using one Act 3 Normal BM from Lunaris 2 vs Cruel Twilight Strand Hillock. I made sure the BM had turned on unrighteous fire before getting to Hillock. No auras, curses or summoner uniques were used. All gems were level 16. I started my stopwatch as soon as the BM lit up Hillock. Of course, I did not attack Hillock at all with my summoner.

Baseline: Unsupported Raise Spectre Gem

Run 1- BM kills Hillock in 26.97 seconds
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 26.99 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 27.11 seconds

Combo 1: Raise Spectre + Minion Life support gem

Run 1- BM kills Hillock in 20.95 seconds
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 22.32 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 21.25 seconds

FINDING: Minion Life support gem increases the damage done by UF.

Combo 2: Raise Spectre + Minion Life + Increased Burning Damage

Run 1- BM kills Hillock in 14.00 seconds
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 14.90 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 14.63 seconds

FINDING: Increased Burning Damage support increases the damage of UF

Combo 3: Raise Spectre + Minion Damage

Run 1- BM kills Hillock in 25.95 seconds
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 26.92 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 26.78 seconds

FINDING: Increased Minion Damage support does not materially affect UF damage

Combo 4: Raise Spectre + Remote Mine

Run 1- NA (Hillock kills BM in 22.35 seconds)
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 26.20 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 26.55 seconds

FINDING: Remote Mine support does not materially affect UF damage.

Didn't have time to test out a few other scenarios, for example using 2 BMs with different support gem combos (expected finding: degen damage should not stack based on game mechanics). Maybe tomorrow if I have time.

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Fire Aura Activation : If they are blocked and have enemys on Screen they will start burning. If u cast a Passive Skill they are "more likeley" to start burn. I had VERY good xp with Rejen Totem. Just cast it ALLL the time if the first mob group comes. instead of a curse and or atk. im 100% sure at least 1 is burning afterwards. Update 28.8 Also Immortal Call , Endurance Cry and !!! OUT OF SIGHT!!! helps. they dont need to be out of sight. just hide behind a tree / corner and shoot 1-3 times on the ground (arc/fireball)