Donald Trump and US politics

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Kellog wrote:

There's been a number of oddities in things they've posted surrounding the DNC hack, to make me consider them dubious.

I'd love to see evidence of this. The DNC (and Podesta) e-mails have all been cryptographically verified to be unaltered. Please do read about DKIM and how it works if you don't believe me; in short it's signing with public/private keys.

I can understand concerns about their choice of what to release, but that doesn't invalidate what they have already released.

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DalaiLama wrote:

Trump put them on his agenda before the election, and he followed through. You stated he had no agenda, I showed where he was following his pre-election agenda.
Whether someone likes his "accomplishments" is an entirely different matter.

Fair enough. Perhaps I should have said the only policy agenda Trump has is to undo everything Obama put in place. Apparently, even down to a bike sharing scheme in the Whitehouse.

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Kellog wrote:

Have we seen Antifa marching through public streets carrying automatic rifles.

I see some pictures published on an alt-right supporting website with some overlays. Do you have any additional sources?

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Kellog wrote:

Moreover, if condemnation isn't seen coming from the President, it's likely these groups will take it as a free pass to behave however they wish.

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He condemned them, and more appropriately, condemned both sides for the violence. If he had only condemned one side for the violence, he would have given them more fuel. Unless you want to provoke another Oklahoma City bombing?

He's changed his comments three times, that's hardly unequivocal.

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You question was answered.

Lol! ok.

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Considering the Charlottesville organizer Jason Kesller was involved in the Occupy movement, was an Obama supporter and didn't show any support for Trump until after Trump was elected....

Should we blame Obama for this violent rally or thank Obama for this violent rally?

I might have guessed you'd have to add a comment mentioning Obama or Clinton somewhere.

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soneka101 wrote:

he said 3 to 5 million people might have committed voter fraud

There are some indications it was 5-8 million, even higher than he states. States are terrified of the federal inquiry into their voter rolls, and several states are now experiencing a deluge of people de-registering so that they won't be caught.

The majority of California counties have a higher percentage of registered voters than they do people who are legally eligible to vote.
In one case, San Francisco county, there is 118% voter registration

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soneka101 wrote:

he believes that the human body has finite energy, and that exercising only depletes this energy.

Try not eating, every again, and see how infinite your energy level is. People die from hypoglycemia - look up diabetic ketoacidosis. Why is it that Lance Armstrong was using EPO to boost his blood levels? He shouldn't need to do that if he had an infinite amount of energy.

There are some very rare people who get tired after exercising. It's almost as if the exercise temporarily depleted their energy stores. Its a good thing no famous athletes in soccer abstain from sex before a competition because they are worried about using up their energy.

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soneka101 wrote:

He said Obama wiretapped the Trump tower.

Susan Rice revealed they unmasked people that Obama was recording in Trump tower.

Cue the Jeopardy music.

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soneka101 wrote:

He said Obama was born in Kenya. He said the certificate Obama showed to him was fake.

He got Obama to finally produce a birth certificate. Obama's academic record is evidently the most secret thing on Earth.

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soneka101 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/857011182988873728

Some people know since the beginning.

If that's April 2017, then it wasn't anywhere near the beginning. If they all knew about it, why is Buzzfeed using poor examples, when they could be using obvious examples, like people with underwear stretched over their head?

They need to go back to their Safety Pin campaign, and enjoy being played by their globalist masters and 4chan like the puppets they are.

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pneuma wrote:

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Kellog wrote:

There's been a number of oddities in things they've posted surrounding the DNC hack, to make me consider them dubious.

I'd love to see evidence of this. The DNC (and Podesta) e-mails have all been cryptographically verified to be unaltered. Please do read about DKIM and how it works if you don't believe me; in short it's signing with public/private keys.

I can understand concerns about their choice of what to release, but that doesn't invalidate what they have already released.

I'm not questioning the veracity of the emails, but I do question the comments made by Assange in connection to the source. Whatever he was saying or not - I don't expect him to explicitly name names - seems odd and only fuels conspiracies.

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Kellog wrote:

Fair enough. Perhaps I should have said the only policy agenda Trump has is to undo everything Obama put in place. Apparently, even down to a bike sharing scheme in the Whitehouse.

Where run properly, the bike sharing is a great idea. I have no idea how DC runs theirs. In some places, small local companies did a great job, but then were put out of business by an official city group which did a poor job. In one case, they are looking at spending millions trying to restart a program which was flourishing before the city got involved.

Instead of trying to run these kinds of things, or dictate how they operate, governments would be far better off just offering incentives. Offer incentives for electric cars and they will be used more often, just like solar power took off with incentives.

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Kellog wrote:

Have we seen Antifa marching through public streets carrying automatic rifles.

I see some pictures published on an alt-right supporting website with some overlays. Do you have any additional sources? [/quote]

IIRC, that was the John Brown group in Phoenix, and the event was covered by several media. If you want something reputable, I'd check the local Phoenix news stations and see if they have footage. I was hoping you would spot that most of the weapons are Airsoft. That tidbit arose when the group tried to intimidate real gun carrying people during a march. They did some target practice in the desert with real guns, and left a LOT of TRASH. I don't have any direct links saved, and the few links I had to aggregated accounts were twitter accounts which were -surprise! Suspended.

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Kellog wrote:

Moreover, if condemnation isn't seen coming from the President, it's likely these groups will take it as a free pass to behave however they wish.

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He condemned them, and more appropriately, condemned both sides for the violence. If he had only condemned one side for the violence, he would have given them more fuel. Unless you want to provoke another Oklahoma City bombing?

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Kellog wrote:

He's changed his comments three times, that's hardly unequivocal.

Consistency isn't his strong suite, not by a long shot. Witness "You'd be in jail" and then deciding not to prosecute. It's a weakness in some ways, but as a president, it can be a strength. How so? Because it means he isn't committed to something so strongly that he won't change his mind.

From dealing with such people personally- and yes, I do mean exactly that, such people- I can tell you the best method is not direct confrontation. Raise a question, give reasons for what you think would be better. If such person rejects your proposal, give them some time and let them mull it over. They may very well come back and agree with you, and further they may make it seem like it was their idea! Executives are funny that way.

Here's a great example - You have two seconds to respond - given what just happened in North Korea 12 minutes ago (You probably haven't seen it in the news yet) Do we commit another aircraft carrier group to the area, move in two submarine cruise missile groups, or de-escalate?

No Googling to see what happened.

Got an answer? Good. Now you can Google to check.

THAT is the life of an Exec - making tough decisions in a brief period of time based off of limited information. Ideally, you make decisions that can be fixed if wrong. They tend to decide first based off of what they know, and then find out more if the situation is important enough. That Trump didn't comment for awhile might say he is secretly racist (and has flipped from being non-racist all his life up until running for office), it could also mean that his team considered the implications of what happened very severe.

That they didn't have a lot of intel was obvious. They were waiting for intel to come in. The whole point of Homeland Security was to make sure police and intel groups were sharing information. So either they weren't sharing, or they had no info. Either one is a breakdown and a serious problem.

The president should have known a good deal within less than 24 hours, even if it meant some govt people had to go to work on the weekend. This isn't a good sign for any future dangerous events.

What I'd like to see come out of this is a program designed to look at all the hate groups, the violent rally people, the violent protestors and those funding them.

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Kellog wrote:

I might have guessed you'd have to add a comment mentioning Obama or Clinton somewhere.

Barack is always in our hearts and minds.

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soneka101 wrote:

He is full of shit. Like really, full, completely full, of a whole lot of shit.

Was gonna say something about all that shit but dalailama sad enough so no need for me to react.
but how does this excuse the left media from being dishonest unethical scumbags whit 0 journalistic integrity exactly?
Are you saying o well trump lies(your words not mine) therefore its ok for journalist to ly what kind of fucked up logic is that?

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DalaiLama wrote:

There are some indications it was 5-8 million, even higher than he states. States are terrified of the federal inquiry into their voter rolls, and several states are now experiencing a deluge of people de-registering so that they won't be caught.

The majority of California counties have a higher percentage of registered voters than they do people who are legally eligible to vote.
In one case, San Francisco county, there is 118% voter registration

Show me proof that 5-8 million illegal votes were cast. You will probably come here with some bullshit about people that are still registered after dying, or things like same name being registered twice, or people that are registered in 2 states. It's bullshit. None of this translates into vote fraud. For example, some of Trump's family members were registered in two states (Tiffany and Bannon if I'm not wrong).

It's bullshit, you don't see headlines about this on major newspapper not because "THE LIBRUL MEDIA IS HIDING THE TRUTH FROM US!!1!", you don't see because it's bullshit.

If there was truth that 8 million people voted illegally news channels all over the country and even internationally would be fighting themselves to cover this story.

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DalaiLama wrote:

Try not eating, every again, and see how infinite your energy level is. People die from hypoglycemia - look up diabetic ketoacidosis. Why is it that Lance Armstrong was using EPO to boost his blood levels? He shouldn't need to do that if he had an infinite amount of energy.

There are some very rare people who get tired after exercising. It's almost as if the exercise temporarily depleted their energy stores. Its a good thing no famous athletes in soccer abstain from sex before a competition because they are worried about using up their energy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-thinks-that-exercising-too-much-uses-up-the-bodys-finite-energy/2017/05/12/bb0b9bda-365d-11e7-b4ee-434b6d506b37_story.html

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President Trump reportedly eschews exercise because he believes it drains the body’s “finite” energy resources, but experts say this argument is flawed because the human body actually becomes stronger with exercise.

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DalaiLama wrote:

Susan Rice revealed they unmasked people that Obama was recording in Trump tower.

Cue the Jeopardy music.

I already talked about this with you. Unmasking is not wiretapping, and the unmasking is not related to the Trump tower. His statement is a lie and no mind gymnastics can change that.

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DalaiLama wrote:

He got Obama to finally produce a birth certificate. Obama's academic record is evidently the most secret thing on Earth.

So, do you agree that he speaks without knowing all the facts?

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DalaiLama wrote:

If that's April 2017, then it wasn't anywhere near the beginning. If they all knew about it, why is Buzzfeed using poor examples, when they could be using obvious examples, like people with underwear stretched over their head?

They need to go back to their Safety Pin campaign, and enjoy being played by their globalist masters and 4chan like the puppets they are.

She said: "For the past two months people have been creating fake antifa accounts" How do you know she didn't notice from the beginning? She might have noticed all the things on the first week.

Besides, she might have noticed the accounts were fake as soon as she came in contact with them, so it's hard to say that people have been fooled based on the date of creation of the accounts and the date the accounts have been called out, since we don't know when she came in contact with the accounts.

About the poor examples displayed by Buzzfeed, if they displease you should send them an email. I don't work for them, so I can't do anything about your grievances.

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DalaiLama wrote:

There are some indications it was 5-8 million, even higher than he states.

Trump says.

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States are terrified of the federal inquiry into their voter rolls, and several states are now experiencing a deluge of people de-registering so that they won't be caught.

States don't wish to hand over their constituents private data to satisfy a witch hunt.

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he majority of California counties have a higher percentage of registered voters than they do people who are legally eligible to vote.
In one case, San Francisco county, there is 118% voter registration

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Judicial Watch’s claim rests on its inclusion of “inactive voters” – people who have been removed from active rolls after a mail ballot, voter guide or other official document was returned as undeliverable – usually as a result of moving. They aren’t reflected in turnout tallies or signature-gathering requirements, don’t receive election materials, and are ignored by campaigns.

This is mostly nonsense being propagated by the likes of Brietbart to make states look bad for not handing over data.

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Try not eating, every again, and see how infinite your energy level is. People die from hypoglycemia - look up diabetic ketoacidosis. Why is it that Lance Armstrong was using EPO to boost his blood levels? He shouldn't need to do that if he had an infinite amount of energy

There are some very rare people who get tired after exercising. It's almost as if the exercise temporarily depleted their energy stores. Its a good thing no famous athletes in soccer abstain from sex before a competition because they are worried about using up their energy.

I don't believe this has anything to do with Trumps High/Low energy nonsense.

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Susan Rice revealed they unmasked people that Obama was recording in Trump tower.

Most of this 'unmasking' nonsense started with Devin Nunes and Trumps ever-changing story. So far, there's no evidence Susan Rice did anything illegal.

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He got Obama to finally produce a birth certificate. Obama's academic record is evidently the most secret thing on Earth.

Not as secret as Trumps Tax returns.

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jackof8lades wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

He is full of shit. Like really, full, completely full, of a whole lot of shit.

Was gonna say something about all that shit but dalailama sad enough so no need for me to react.
but how does this excuse the left media from being dishonest unethical scumbags whit 0 journalistic integrity exactly?
Are you saying o well trump lies(your words not mine) therefore its ok for journalist to ly what kind of fucked up logic is that?

Stay on topic bro. You said this:

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jackof8lades wrote:

Trump owned them on charlottsville whit this simple statement "here is the thing:when i make a statement i like to be correct...."
Now why is this so important(to me at least), its simple this is what journalism and politics should be about getting all the facts and get them right, dont ly, leave shit out, dont draw conclusions before you have all the facts, dont spin false narratives etc.

His lies prove that:

1-No, he doesn't get all the facts before he opens his mouth.
2-No, the reason he didn't say anything is not because he likes to get all the facts.
3-If the news media was like him, then you would see some truly fake news batshit crazy stuff going around.

You want to spin that into me trying to defend the media. I said Trump is full of shit, he is, and that's it. If you want to talk about the media you should pick a specific subject and maybe we can talk about something interesting.

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soneka101 wrote:

It's bullshit, you don't see headlines about this

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soneka101 wrote:

If there was truth that 8 million people voted illegally news channels all over the country and even internationally would be fighting themselves to cover this story.

They are fighting themselves to hide the story. They haven't moved a muscle to investigate leads. Why should they? They don't get paid to reveal news. People forget that. They get paid based on advertising sold. Who would they piss off if they pushed illegal voting news? How large is that demographic? How much would that cut into their revenue? How soon would they all be called White Supremacists for daring to raise the question?

The headlines are discussed, negotiated, and in some cases, we have proof of big players in MSM submitting their article to the democrat officials for APPROVAL and editing before they publish.

Ask yourself why the Washington Post changed so dramatically in agenda after Jeff Bezos bought it. Ask yourself why the NYT became even more fervent after Carlos Slims bought it.

Time, and federal investigations will show it all anyways. Right now, we are in a waiting period, and only cursory official investigations have begun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-thinks-that-exercising-too-much-uses-up-the-bodys-finite-energy/2017/05/12/bb0b9bda-365d-11e7-b4ee-434b6d506b37_story.html

The closing line of the article you linked says it all:

"Jonesco noted that if you ever become stranded on a desert island with limited food sources, it would be a good idea to skip working out, because you wouldn’t be able to replenish your body’s fuels. "

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soneka101 wrote:

Unmasking is not wiretapping

You can't unmask what you haven't recorded.

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soneka101 wrote:

So, do you agree that he speaks without knowing all the facts?

At times, of course. All people do. You wrote that without knowing what Trump's favorite brand of sock is, so obviously there are some facts missing. Is that fact germaine? Probably not. Was Trump's commentary on Obama's birth certificate made with all the facts? The facts at the time were that Obama had not revealed a long form, just a short form. The latter isn't considered to be reliable. The question of Barack's birth place arose from a rival during a Chicago election, and Hillary's team brought it back to life for her run against Obama.

People conveniently forget that. What was really silly during the time, was that no matter where Obama was born, with an American mother, he was a natural born citizen and was a legitimate candidate for president. That's the racist part of it all. The natural human side is why was Obama hiding it? Questioning Trump's tax return is the same thing. People want to know, and the refusal to answer makes them even more adamant.

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soneka101 wrote:

She said: "For the past two months people have been creating fake antifa accounts" How do you know she didn't notice from the beginning?

That she said "the past two months" It's like saying "the Kardashians are kind of famous the last two years"

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soneka101 wrote:

About the poor examples displayed by Buzzfeed, if they displease you should send them an email. I don't work for them, so I can't do anything about your grievances.

Fortunately, my cat expressed no interest in working for them, even a little disdain if I'm reading the whisker twitching correctly.