Donald Trump and US politics

I don't think it's weird for someone who has been criticized for inaccurate statements previously to want to be careful to avoid being inaccurate currently.
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DalaiLama wrote:
the Charlottesville organizer Jason Kesller was involved in the Occupy movement, was an Obama supporter and didn't show any support for Trump until after Trump was elected.
Got a decent source on that? Breitbart is reporting on the SPLC's report rather than digging themselves (misleading!), and the SPLC reports on "rumors" and doesn't link to the alleged video evidence. At this point it smells of fake news.
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Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Aug 17, 2017, 2:15:57 AM
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DalaiLama wrote:




There are some who question whether Hitler would have been able to rise to power without the violent actions of Antifa's original group back in 1930's Germany







Isn't that like asking can Antifa stop Trump? Only if they increase their members a million fold and start an uprising. Otherwise, no.
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DalaiLama wrote:
They are fighting themselves to hide the story. They haven't moved a muscle to investigate leads. Why should they? They don't get paid to reveal news. People forget that. They get paid based on advertising sold. Who would they piss off if they pushed illegal voting news? How large is that demographic? How much would that cut into their revenue? How soon would they all be called White Supremacists for daring to raise the question?


Absolute twaddle. If that many votes were forged, no one would be able to keep it out of the media, left or right. Moreover, Trump won the election, he has nothing to prove. This is jst his ego getting the better of his senses, again!

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The headlines are discussed, negotiated, and in some cases, we have proof of big players in MSM submitting their article to the democrat officials for APPROVAL and editing before they publish.


Source.

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Ask yourself why the Washington Post changed so dramatically in agenda after Jeff Bezos bought it. Ask yourself why the NYT became even more fervent after Carlos Slims bought it.


Things change under new ownership. Stop inventing things.

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Time, and federal investigations will show it all anyways. Right now, we are in a waiting period, and only cursory official investigations have begun.


The Voter fraud investigation is a witch hunt. It's real purpose is voter suppression.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:
I don't think it's weird for someone who has been criticized for inaccurate statements previously to want to be careful to avoid being inaccurate currently.
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DalaiLama wrote:
the Charlottesville organizer Jason Kesller was involved in the Occupy movement, was an Obama supporter and didn't show any support for Trump until after Trump was elected.
Got a decent source on that? Breitbart is reporting on the SPLC's report rather than digging themselves (misleading!), and the SPLC reports on "rumors" and doesn't link to the alleged video evidence. At this point it smells of fake news.


From what I can see, a lot of this rumour seems to have started recently, primarily from those this trying to spin the events of the weekend in Charlottesville.
Last edited by Kellog#5737 on Aug 17, 2017, 3:16:43 AM
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deathflower wrote:
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DalaiLama wrote:




There are some who question whether Hitler would have been able to rise to power without the violent actions of Antifa's original group back in 1930's Germany







Isn't that like asking can Antifa stop Trump? Only if they increase their members a million fold and start an uprising. Otherwise, no.


I don't really understand his connections here. As far as I can see, Antifaschistische Aktion, which came into being in 1932, was basically founded to provide support for the communists against the Nazis.

I guess he's suggesting that if there hadn't been confrontation between the communists and the Nazis, Hitler wouldn't have been able to rise to power as easily as he did. However, if that is what he's implying, it's nonsense. Hitler had already gained significant support prior to 1932 and the formations of Antifaschistische Aktion wouldn't have made any difference.
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deathflower wrote:
Isn't that like asking can Antifa stop Trump? Only if they increase their members a million fold and start an uprising. Otherwise, no.

The history of Weimar Republic Germany is useful.

It took Roter Frontkämpferbund red shirts (militant wing of the KPD/Communists) openly fighting with Sturmabteilung brown shirts (militant wing of the Nazis) in the street to scare the people into voting for more law and order, which the Nazi party was aligned to provide.

The red shirts later reformed as Antifaschistische Aktion, escalating the violence once more, but were shut down even more swiftly and after the public gave yet more votes to the Nazis. Shortly after that was the Reichstag Fire (blamed on the communists who everyone knew were violent enough for arson) and... the rest is history.

The argument is that if the communists had remained calm with their small political gains and continued fighting the war of words without resorting to violence, they could have potentially ended up with a larger part of parliament, or at least not empowered the fascists.
Today I learned from this wonderful thread, that Hitler wouldn't have gassed millions of people if nobody tried to stop him.
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paraspam wrote:
Today I learned from this wonderful thread, that Hitler wouldn't have gassed millions of people if nobody tried to stop him.

I'm sure if you just punch some people that that'll fix things.
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pneuma wrote:
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deathflower wrote:
Isn't that like asking can Antifa stop Trump? Only if they increase their members a million fold and start an uprising. Otherwise, no.

The history of Weimar Republic Germany is useful.

It took Roter Frontkämpferbund red shirts (militant wing of the KPD/Communists) openly fighting with Sturmabteilung brown shirts (militant wing of the Nazis) in the street to scare the people into voting for more law and order, which the Nazi party was aligned to provide.

The red shirts later reformed as Antifaschistische Aktion, escalating the violence once more, but were shut down even more swiftly and after the public gave yet more votes to the Nazis. Shortly after that was the Reichstag Fire (blamed on the communists who everyone knew were violent enough for arson) and... the rest is history.

The argument is that if the communists had remained calm with their small political gains and continued fighting the war of words without resorting to violence, they could have potentially ended up with a larger part of parliament, or at least not empowered the fascists.


I guess the takeaway fro this, beware a modern day Reichstag fire under the Trump Administration.
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paraspam wrote:
Today I learned from this wonderful thread, that Hitler wouldn't have gassed millions of people if nobody tried to stop him
with violonce and instead relied on rational argument to sway public opinion. Yeah, pretty much.

Make memes, not war, my dude.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Aug 17, 2017, 6:16:03 AM

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