Donald Trump and US politics
" So, Trump calling anything he doesn't agree with fake media, which has become a rallying cry for his base, is not a step towards control and Authoritarianism. Or perhaps Demonising and discriminating against minorities, is dissimilar to what was happening in 1930's Germany. Oh, by the way, it's funny you should mention Hitler: Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said in 2016 that Trump's "strident rhetoric" was similar to Hitler's Or following the embarrassment that was his 'speech' to the Boy Scouts, it was noted that - Trump's late July speech to Boy Scouts about loyalty reminded them of the Hitler Youth, a branch of the Nazi Party. Odd how many times the comparison has been made. |
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" You mean 'top-notch journalists' like those found at Fox News, Brietbart of maybe even Alex Jones? |
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" Wikileaks. The Federal Elections Commission Records. There's a reason the media tried not to cover it, and a reason they pushed the Russian collusion narrative to switch the focus from what was revealed to Russians. That the Loretta Lynch-Bill Clinton conversation is reopened is a good sign that the left can't continue to sweep this under the rug. Even Salon is realizing which way things are going and is publicly questioning the left's Russian narrative. http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-the-dnc-russian-hack-was-really-a-leak-after-all-a-new-report-raises-questions-media-and-democrats-would-rather-ignore/ (oh, and yes the Russian narrative is related, because all of this public MSM manufactured rage is part and parcel of the left's attempt to distract from the impending prosecution of leftist government officials and an attempt to resist and stop Trump's agenda.) That is all it is and nothing more. The majority of voters see right through this smoke screen. Calling Trump supporters neo-nazis is just more "baskets of deplorables" idiocy, and the effect will be the same. It will bring more people to support Trump. Identity politics fails when you are directly criticizing people that you want to agree with you. PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910 Last edited by DalaiLama#6738 on Aug 16, 2017, 9:36:24 PM
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" Take your pick from either side, which is why I said media and not leftist media. Breitbart does more digging, but far less vetting of the information they publish. Local new affiliates seem to do a good job at times - maybe because they have the time and are allowed to investigate a story, but the big companies always seem to be in such a rush to get a story out first, that the story they publish isn't worth paying attention to, or is a sad semblance of what it should be. PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910 Last edited by DalaiLama#6738 on Aug 16, 2017, 9:37:11 PM
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" YES! What he is doing is the exact opposite, he is making steps against control and authoritarianism. The media is presenting false and misleading information, intentionally, and in a coordinated fashion with each other. They are trying to control what people think and what they discuss. You only have to look at what Twitter, Facebook and Google/Youtube do to see on which side the MSM's loyalties lie. They are against free speech and support eliminating the speech of people they disagree with. It isn't Trump that tried to stop Antifa or "resist" rallies. Trump didn't bus in mass crowds to disrupt Hillary rallies. Trump didn't try to silence Milo. ALL the silencing of free speech has come from the left. The MSM has echoed and supported those efforts. " If you have a Facebook or Twitter account, try a little test for yourself - be prepared for the blowback. Take some tweets or posts widely circulated (and thus deemed acceptable) on either platform that directly and specifically criticize "white" people. Now, change "white" to some other minorities and repost it on their platform. Watch how many people you know unfriend you, and how quickly your account is suspended or banned. There is demonisation going on by both sides, but Trump isn't pushing any of it. He didn't win the Ellis Island award for being a racist.  " What's the corruption and murder rate in Mexico? I have no idea who owns who there, but the corruption and cartel influence is so rampant, I wouldn't trust any official without some serious vetting. Gisea Mota - who was elected on a promise to fight corruption was murdered on her second day in office by Mexican mafia.   https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/13/mexico-mayor-gisela-mota-murdered-mafia That wasn't an isolated case, the killing of any officials who do try to crack down on corruption and cartel influence is widespread. " Martin Luther King Jr used "strident" rhetoric as well, and all three of them drank water, and walked on planet Earth. " It's not odd at all. It was in a tactics email Wikileaks circulated before the campaign concluded. What is odd, is that they took the language for their tactics DIRECTLY from a Dave Barry humor column. I kid you not. I'm fairly certain I linked both much further back in this thread. PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910 Last edited by DalaiLama#6738 on Aug 16, 2017, 9:48:45 PM
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" Wikileaks! Are you serious? " It's a FOIA request, nothing more. However, if they do contain anything incriminating, I hope those involved are brought to justice. " The original 'report' by the 'Forensicator' (an anonymous 'investigator with debatable forensic skills) was released several months ago, it was debunked then it it's already been debunked following the coverage in The Nation. Moreover, Mr Lawrence, the author of said piece, is a Seth Ritch conspiracy believer. Not a great starting place really. " Trumps only agenda is to keep himself in office, by any means possible. If that means using distraction or calling anything Russia (and more) related fake news, so be it. This "manufactured rage" as you call it, pales in comparison to the kind of rage we see from the gun-toting white nationalists. Their hateful, racist, anti-Semitic rhetoric should be enough for any rational-minded individuals to fear a rise in Trumpism. " Majority? Perhaps you mean the majority of Trump supporters. " Are you saying neo-nazis don't support Trump? " Actually, the opposite seems to be happening. Trump now has the lowest rating of any President ever (actually, it's been that way for a while it's just getting worse) |
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" inability to understand,senile,fake tan,you dont get it. Can you ppl try (and i know this is hard for you if not impossible ) to have a conversation whitout resorting to insults that would frankly embarrass a 5 year old. [Removed by Support]
Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” |
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" Ok, you've just lost any credibility you may have had. " You should have prefixed that paragraph with 'Trump says'. " I have my doubts about whether Trump knows what Antifa are. He called them the "alt-left" a term which didn't exist before. " I guess the ones paid for by InfoWars don't count then " Defending free speech can be a difficult thing, especially when people like Milo Yiannopoulos are involved. The problem with Milo, he seems to make a living from saying objectionable things, just for the sake of it. " I think you're going off the rails here. Whilst it's true that a minority want to contain hate-speech by any means necessary, it's important to remember that a good proportion of the 'left' have also advocated for Free-speech, regardless of the source. " " I don't. " My comment referred to similarities between the 1930's and now. It doesn't specifically mention any specific groups. " You raised the Hitler thing, I just pointed out that others had mad the connection between Trump and Hitler. |
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" You suggested he 'owned' the press conference' I suggested reasons why your statement was incorrect. If you have a counter argument, please continue. |
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" This needs no comment for astute readers. " He stated what he planned on doing before he was elected. You can question his efficiency or even timeline in accomplishing it, but his efforts to follow what he promised have been remarkable, especially so given the constant push back. The prototypes for the wall is on track to be built in the next two months, with funding for the first section of the real wall already secured. Paris agreement gone (The world is going to die! AGHGHHHHH! - back to The Russians) EPA reigned in, numerous executive orders cut (21 cut for every 1 he issued, iirc, and he promised at least a 2-1 ratio) " That must be why we have seen hundreds of thousands of them marching in every city, blocking the streets, gunning down people with their guns, clubbing people with their guns etc. The secret white nationalists who are university professors bashing people's heads in with a bike lock sure jogs my memory. This KKK white supremacist woman attacking minorities for no reason, is more proof that the alt-right is so much more dangerous  " The actual white supremacists are very few in number, and their "rhetoric" is fare more vile than we could post here. Those actively involved need to be and in some cases are, monitored by police authorities. The public doesn't need to fear them, just continue exposing them and ridiculing them. The last time they made a big resurgance, was when the KKK helped push prohibition through and started working hand in hand with democrats. They almost got one of their own into the presidency - see the Klanbake presidential convention. " Are you saying neo-nazis don't support Trump? Circles are shapes, are you saying all shapes aren't circles? " " PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
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