Donald Trump and US politics

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Kellog wrote:

You suggested he 'owned' the press conference' I suggested reasons why your statement was incorrect. If you have a counter argument, please continue.

No you just resorted to childish insults to try and prove my statement incorrect.
But fine ill explain myself.
Trump owned them on charlottsville whit this simple statement "here is the thing:when i make a statement i like to be correct...."
Now why is this so important(to me at least), its simple this is what journalism and politics should be about getting all the facts and get them right, dont ly, leave shit out, dont draw conclusions before you have all the facts, dont spin false narratives etc.
The leftist media have 0 credibility in this regard trump showed them how it should be and in that regard he most def "owned" those journalist who have 0 journalistic integrity.

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Kellog wrote:

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The media is presenting false and misleading information, intentionally, and in a coordinated fashion with each other. They are trying to control what people think and what they discuss. You only have to look at what Twitter, Facebook and Google/Youtube do to see on which side the MSM's loyalties lie. They are against free speech and support eliminating the speech of people they disagree with.

You should have prefixed that paragraph with 'Trump says'.

No, they are banning people who are voicing their own opinions. In some cases, the public backlash is great enough to force them to relent. They are demonetizing videos by popular

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Kellog wrote:

I have my doubts about whether Trump knows what Antifa are. He called them the "alt-left" a term which didn't exist before.

Meet Katie a time traveler from 2016:
https://townhall.com/columnists/katiekieffer/2016/09/19/meet-the-altleft-n2220273

And the "Alt-Right" is just another manufactured term (from WAAYYY back in 2008). That Wikipedia cites 4chan as a published source is highly amusing.

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Trump didn't bus in mass crowds to disrupt Hillary rallies.

I guess the ones paid for by InfoWars don't count then

If you can show Federal Elections Commission records, sure. I would link them (I did before in one of the two threads) but you have to be on the site in an active search for the results to show. I'm sure a screenshot would be viewed as fake, but you can find them if you are willing to look.

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Trump didn't try to silence Milo.

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Kellog wrote:

Defending free speech can be a difficult thing, especially when people like Milo Yiannopoulos are involved. The problem with Milo, he seems to make a living from saying objectionable things, just for the sake of it.

And there we have it. Thank you for being honest. Since you have voiced that as your opinion, I will agree to disagree with you.

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Kellog wrote:

You raised the Hitler thing, I just pointed out that others had mad the connection between Trump and Hitler.

I didn't bring up Anne Frank, I replied to your comment on the Anne Frank center, which was the lead in. Do some reading on American Eugenics movement and you will see the historical tie ins, in some cases direct mail communication between the left and Hitler's camp. America's leftists directly influenced some of his atrocities. Sterilizing, incarcerating and enslaving minorities has been the purvey of leftists for a very long time now.

The only way we can continue to fight racism is to expose it, and that requires letting people speak up, so we can identify them before they can cause harm.

Had the idiots on the left actually let the rally proceed in the park and kept protestors at bay, they could have filmed and recorded all sorts of supremacists and extremists, and opened up some legitimate investigations. Instead, because of their bungling efforts to control the narrative, the crowd was pushed into two conflicting groups on the streets and we have 3 deaths.

Racism is terrible. Violence isn't any better. This isn't a game show where you have to choose between rape and murder. We can oppose both.

Today Ben Carson said: “Hatred and bigotry unfortunately still exists in our country and we must all continue to fight it, but let's use the right tools.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/16/ben-carson-says-his-home-was-vandalized-with-hateful-rhetoric-about-president-trump.html

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DalaiLama wrote:

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Kellog wrote:

Wikileaks! Are you serious?

This needs no comment for astute readers.

If you were astute, you wouldn't be considering Wikileaks a reliable source. Several years ago, perhaps.

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He stated what he planned on doing before he was elected. You can question his efficiency or even timeline in accomplishing it, but his efforts to follow what he promised have been remarkable, especially so given the constant push back. The prototypes for the wall is on track to be built in the next two months, with funding for the first section of the real wall already secured.

Hasn't passed the Senate yet.

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Paris agreement gone (The world is going to die! AGHGHHHHH! - back to The Russians) EPA reigned in, numerous executive orders cut (21 cut for every 1 he issued, iirc, and he promised at least a 2-1 ratio)

I actually find it quite sad that you consider these 'achievements' good things.

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That must be why we have seen hundreds of thousands of them marching in every city, blocking the streets, gunning down people with their guns, clubbing people with their guns etc. The secret white nationalists who are university professors bashing people's heads in with a bike lock sure jogs my memory. This KKK white supremacist woman attacking minorities for no reason, is more proof that the alt-right is so much more dangerous

Have we seen "hundreds of Thousands" of Antifa. Have we seen Antifa marching through public streets carrying automatic rifles. Has anyone been killed by Antifa in a hit and run terriost attack.

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The actual white supremacists are very few in number

You would know this how?

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and their "rhetoric" is fare more vile than we could post here. Those actively involved need to be and in some cases are, monitored by police authorities. The public doesn't need to fear them, just continue exposing them and ridiculing them. The last time they made a big resurgance, was when the KKK helped push prohibition through and started working hand in hand with democrats. They almost got one of their own into the presidency - see the Klanbake presidential convention.

If the police behave as they did on the weekend, at future rallies, there's no way of knowing how things will turn out. Moreover, if condemnation isn't seen coming from the President, it's likely these groups will take it as a free pass to behave however they wish.

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Calling Trump supporters neo-nazis is just more "baskets of deplorables" idiocy, and the effect will be the same.

Are you saying neo-nazis don't support Trump?

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Circles are shapes, are you saying all shapes aren't circles?

Answer the question.

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You must have missed the news a few days ago, where Trump enjoyed his highest rating ever - even in a poll intentionally skewed.

Ha, his rating is so low that last night - when Lady Gaga ran an informal poll on her twitter, it was losing 3-1 and the DNC got caught paying for a bot to bring in 50,000 votes to win the poll. Even then, they were losing again in a few hours and the poll was shut down.

Polls - Anyone remember Nate Silver - touted as the most accurate pollster?

Every poll, even Trumps favourite, show his rating as the lowest for any President ever. The only counter to this is a poll recently publish by ProgressPolls, a group who used to call themselves Truth-Bombers. I'll leave you to find out more about them.

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jackof8lades wrote:

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Kellog wrote:

You suggested he 'owned' the press conference' I suggested reasons why your statement was incorrect. If you have a counter argument, please continue.

No you just resorted to childish insults to try and prove my statement incorrect.
But fine ill explain myself.
Trump owned them on charlottsville whit this simple statement "here is the thing:when i make a statement i like to be correct...."

He also said he likes to have all the facts, unfortunately, he didn't. He didn't know David Duke was there, he didn't know about the comments from McCain. He also dodged questions he didn't like. As far as being "correct' is concerned, there were a number of things he said that, at best, were ambiguous.

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Now why is this so important(to me at least), its simple this is what journalism and politics should be about getting all the facts and get them right, dont ly, leave shit out, dont draw conclusions before you have all the facts, dont spin false narratives etc.
The leftist media have 0 credibility in this regard trump showed them how it should be and in that regard he most def "owned" those journalist who have 0 journalistic integrity.

I agree that all media sources should provide the most truthful account, for any situation, as far as possible. Omitting facts or distorting the truth doesn't help anyone. However, to simply suggest that all 'left-wing' media is untruthful or guilty of the above is simply ridiculous.

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Kellog wrote:

However, to simply suggest that all 'left-wing' media is untruthful or guilty of the above is simply ridiculous.

Not suggesting anything here, telling it outright as it is, the leftist media has 0 credibility left.

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Kellog wrote:

If you were astute, you wouldn't be considering Wikileaks a reliable source. Several years ago, perhaps.

Reliability has never been a problem for Wikileaks.
I think you might be confusing... a lot of things.

Are you that special breed of person that thinks wikileaks posts fake data? Or are you just trying to slander their legitimacy because you don't like what (or information targeting whom) they release?

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jackof8lades wrote:

"here is the thing:when i make a statement i like to be correct...."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?mcubz=3

He said that Ted Cruz's father killed JFK, he said his inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's, he said 3 to 5 million people might have committed voter fraud, he believes that the human body has finite energy, and that exercising only depletes this energy. He said Obama wiretapped the Trump tower. He said Obama was born in Kenya. He said the certificate Obama showed to him was fake. He said he believes central park five are guilty after they been exonerated.

These are the things I can say from the top of my head.

He is full of shit. Like really, full, completely full, of a whole lot of shit.

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DalaiLama wrote:

HAHAHAHAHA

The leftists are just realizing there are people mocking them with fake Antifa? Did they not see the videos where /pol tried to get them all wearing skirts?

Also - what's wrong with media that they can't dig further than what is in front of their face? It is one thing for an individual to casually cite what they see, but a real journalist would at least try to dig deeper.

The Beverly Hills Antifa - for instance should have been obvious to them or best yet
Mar-a-Lago Antifa. Calling out for Colonel Sanders and KFC to be removed from the country as evil confederates didn't raise any alarms at Buzzfeed?

Maybe my cat should apply for a job there.

That article is from a couple months ago. If you haven't realized that you probably shouldn't apply for a job there.

Also "leftists just realized"?

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/857011182988873728

Some people know since the beginning.

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DalaiLama wrote:

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Kellog wrote:

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The media is presenting false and misleading information, intentionally, and in a coordinated fashion with each other. They are trying to control what people think and what they discuss. You only have to look at what Twitter, Facebook and Google/Youtube do to see on which side the MSM's loyalties lie. They are against free speech and support eliminating the speech of people they disagree with.

You should have prefixed that paragraph with 'Trump says'.

No, they are banning people who are voicing their own opinions. In some cases, the public backlash is great enough to force them to relent. They are demonetizing videos by popular

Let me guess, this is the 'Deep State' attempting to force everyone to their will and if that doesn't work, the Clintons will send out hitmen!

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And the "Alt-Right" is just another manufactured term (from WAAYYY back in 2008). That Wikipedia cites 4chan as a published source is highly amusing.

You missed the point.

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Trump didn't bus in mass crowds to disrupt Hillary rallies.

I guess the ones paid for by InfoWars don't count then

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If you can show Federal Elections Commission records, sure. I would link them (I did before in one of the two threads) but you have to be on the site in an active search for the results to show. I'm sure a screenshot would be viewed as fake, but you can find them if you are willing to look.

Ah, silly me, it was fake news!

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I didn't bring up Anne Frank, I replied to your comment on the Anne Frank center, which was the lead in. Do some reading on American Eugenics movement and you will see the historical tie ins, in some cases direct mail communication between the left and Hitler's camp. America's leftists directly influenced some of his atrocities. Sterilizing, incarcerating and enslaving minorities has been the purvey of leftists for a very long time now.

The original comment was about banning Trump from twitter, for failing to adequately condemn the neo-nazis at Charlottesville. nothing more.

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The only way we can continue to fight racism is to expose it, and that requires letting people speak up, so we can identify them before they can cause harm.

I agree.

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Had the idiots on the left actually let the rally proceed in the park and kept protestors at bay, they could have filmed and recorded all sorts of supremacists and extremists, and opened up some legitimate investigations. Instead, because of their bungling efforts to control the narrative, the crowd was pushed into two conflicting groups on the streets and we have 3 deaths.

Simply blaming those on the left for the extremism over the weekend is naive. There are several parties involved and all had a part to play. However, preceding a supposedly peaceful rally, by parading through the streets in full camo and wielding automatic rifles, doesn't set a great starting point.

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Racism is terrible. Violence isn't any better. This isn't a game show where you have to choose between rape and murder. We can oppose both.

Today Ben Carson said: “Hatred and bigotry unfortunately still exists in our country and we must all continue to fight it, but let's use the right tools.”

For this to mean anything the President must, unequivocally, denounce the violence and put in place measures that will prevent further loss of life in the future. It cannot be left to the people on the ground to make these decisions in a vacuum.

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Kellog wrote:

I actually find it quite sad that you consider these 'achievements' good things.

Trump put them on his agenda before the election, and he followed through. You stated he had no agenda, I showed where he was following his pre-election agenda.
Whether someone likes his "accomplishments" is an entirely different matter.

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Kellog wrote:

Have we seen Antifa marching through public streets carrying automatic rifles.

There are some who question whether Hitler would have been able to rise to power without the violent actions of Antifa's original group back in 1930's Germany

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The actual white supremacists are very few in number

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Kellog wrote:

You would know this how?

There was a study referred to by NPR in this thread, that had numerous sources citing the actual decline in number, and which states they were now found in (Hint- they tend to be more common in "blue" states.) There have been reports published by Homeland security and others as well.

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Kellog wrote:

If the police behave as they did on the weekend, at future rallies, there's no way of knowing how things will turn out.

The police didn't behave that way everywhere, just in the state where Terry was in charge. FOIA requests may eventually reveal what part he played in the disaster.

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Kellog wrote:

Moreover, if condemnation isn't seen coming from the President, it's likely these groups will take it as a free pass to behave however they wish.

He condemned them, and more appropriately, condemned both sides for the violence. If he had only condemned one side for the violence, he would have given them more fuel. Unless you want to provoke another Oklahoma City bombing?

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Calling Trump supporters neo-nazis is just more "baskets of deplorables" idiocy, and the effect will be the same.

Are you saying neo-nazis don't support Trump?

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Circles are shapes, are you saying all shapes aren't circles?

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Kellog wrote:

Answer the question.

You question was answered.

Considering the Charlottesville organizer Jason Kesller was involved in the Occupy movement, was an Obama supporter and didn't show any support for Trump until after Trump was elected....

Should we blame Obama for this violent rally or thank Obama for this violent rally?

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pneuma wrote:

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Kellog wrote:

If you were astute, you wouldn't be considering Wikileaks a reliable source. Several years ago, perhaps.

Reliability has never been a problem for Wikileaks.
I think you might be confusing... a lot of things.

Are you that special breed of person that thinks wikileaks posts fake data? Or are you just trying to slander their legitimacy because you don't like what (or information targeting whom) they release?

I'm simply not sure what they're current agenda is. There's been a number of oddities in things they've posted surrounding the DNC hack, to make me consider them dubious. However, This wasn't always the case.