So is this Jesus Christ?

"
Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:
Jesus is fake. At least the flying spaghetti monster is real though, praise the spaghetti monster.



Wait a second.... Malachai's tentacles are spaghetti..... nightmares.... exiles..... shellfish.... it all makes sense now!

By Kuduku!! How did we miss this??
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
"
Necromael wrote:
Humans with, or humans without religion, are still humans, therefore they still hold human flaws. Same is with any concept humans come up with, in theory, some concepts are "pure and good", but because they are made up by "flawed" humans, they cannot ever be perfect in reality, that is why humans can only regard them as perfect concepts and try to withhold to them to achieve some form of spiritual and mental satisfaction.

People invented ethics, moral codes and laws to get around our basic instinct of living the darwinian life of survival of the fittest. Or in other words we made boundaries so the strongest doesn't suffocate the weaker. This is one of the reasons we behave 'more advanced' than any animal on earth. (Yeah I know about the complex social behaviour of certain animals and the often kind behaviour of for example elephants to each other. That's an other discussion and not my point.) Religion is basicly just a tool to get a society within a working social system. Looking back to history all of the social systems were flawed (Greeks with their corruption and political scandals, Christianity mixed with imperialism and the extreme wealth of the roman catholic church) and some were basicly just plain evil (nazism, salafism and extreme forms of communism (Pol Pot)). History also teaches us that the perfect social system does not exist. Atheism will not bring the world peace like some believe. Atheism ruled societies weren't better. It seems that currently the former christian countries, with freedom of religion, equality and with (the greek) democracry does a fair job to being a good place to live. I also want to mention Japan. They have some very nice things although the social system contains big flaws too.

I am a christian, because I have experienced things that make me believe the christian God exists and is alive. But I am very willing to take a close look to the social system that is coming with christianity and to battle its flaws. For example my generation see women as equal to men. That seems a small thing but it is an improvement of the past. Now we start to see that Jesus was doing that already 2000 years ago. We are learning.


"
Necromael wrote:
@above post

PoE has nothing to do with religion IRL, it only draws inspiration from classical age (and many other cultures and ages), Romans weren't catholics (until very late years of empire) and they used crosses to punish people, so the symbolism you try to tie to christianism is actually tied to something else and something older, I could give more examples, but why bother?

I don't get your point. This is exactly the reason that Jesus was crucified. It was a roman tradition to punish the worst criminals this way.
Christianity does not own now an exclusive right to crucifixion. That would be extremely silly because it's something that is remembering us to a painful moment in the christian history. So on that point you are right. POE can use crucifixion because it was a historical way of torturing and killing people. They can do that. Sure. But the average christian doesn't like to loot crucified people. With their historical context this whole piece of content becomes a bit painful. And that's what I am talking about.

"
Necromael wrote:

Everyone is so fixated on something they recognize as their own, where are the people offended by depiction of Aztec gods ingame?

A neutral depiction of Christ in POE would not cause christians to start topics here. It's the negative twist that is causing problems.
Last edited by Kaw#5407 on Dec 23, 2016, 5:07:57 AM
As soon as you stop being able to seperate reality from fantasy, you are truly on the highway to insanity.

It's just a game. Have you ever played Postal? I mean, even that is just fiction.

This whole political correct culture we have landed in is causing severe damage to our social structure.

This is not what I had in mind when I said "PC master race".
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
"
Xavathos wrote:
As soon as you stop being able to seperate reality from fantasy, you are truly on the highway to insanity.

Then we all are insane. Einstein worked with the notion of our experience of time and space compared to the reality. Thinking we are even close to being able to capture reality is comparable to my 6 year old daughter saying that she knows everything now because she learned to write and read at school.

"
Xavathos wrote:
It's just a game. Have you ever played Postal? I mean, even that is just fiction.

Yes it's just a game. That's why we don't need to have some silly political statement about religion mixed into the game.

"
Xavathos wrote:
This whole political correct culture we have landed in is causing severe damage to our social structure.

I think it's crazy that people behave political correct in reality to keep their friends and/or job, but on the internet they say like all that is actually damaging to social structures. No, its the opposite. Just be honest about your life and you will see that you behave political correct when you are not anonimous on the internet.

"
Xavathos wrote:
This is not what I had in mind when I said "PC master race".

Ok.
Last edited by Kaw#5407 on Dec 23, 2016, 5:31:17 AM
/Request thread close
No disrespect intended for any religion but..

Ever wonder why religions require you to have FAITH and BELIEF?
Ever wonder why Christianity with only one book has so many religions?
Ever wonder which religion is telling the truth? - This question will start your quest to reality.

And with a powerful and loving God, why is there so much suffering in the world?
Why is there a need to test us His people?
Why did He even created hell? Or satan for that matter.
Why did He made us imperfect so some of us will go to hell?
What is the point of all these exercise of Faith?
What is the point of free will when your path is already chosen by God?

Zeitgeist - Religion

Filthy Casual Scrub.
"Belief is the strongest metal of them all." - Izaro
Last edited by element274#1105 on Dec 23, 2016, 7:40:57 AM
"
element274 wrote:
No disrespect intended for any religion but..

Ever wonder why religions require you to have FAITH and BELIEF?
Ever wonder why Christianity with only one book has so many religions?
Ever wonder which religion is telling the truth? - This question will start your quest to reality.

And with a powerful and loving God, why is there so much suffering in the world?
Why is there a need to test us His people?
Why did He even created hell?
Why did He made us imperfect so some of us will go to hell?
What is the point of all these exercise of Faith?
What is the point of free will when your path is already chosen by God?

Zeitgeist - Religion



Careful. Rationality is a crime in this thread. The penalty of which is yet to be determined.

I completely agree though personally. I'm very open-minded, but so far every religion has failed to provide the proof to make me even consider it an option. While proof of the contrary is literally sprinkled across the planet. God must really not like having believers if that's all His doing.

Bottom line though: We don't know and we're all looking for answers. Because have become more than instinctive creatures. Morals and ethics lead us to believe we must be more. It's a scary thought if there really is nothing out there and we are really just advanced monkeys living out our short lives into nothing.

Imagine if everyone thought that to be true. No faith and no religion. Anarchy and chaos would follow suit. As much as I believe in cold, rational thinking, our morals must remain somehow. It's tough to be genuinely "good" without religion backing you up in today's world.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
You people speak of truth and reason while referencing to a 'documentary' from a conspiracy nutjob. You faithfully (pun intended) believe the religion part because you can use it in your argument. That's not exactly a quality argument there.

"
element274 wrote:
No disrespect intended for any religion but..

Ever wonder why religions require you to have FAITH and BELIEF?
Ever wonder why Christianity with only one book has so many religions?
Ever wonder which religion is telling the truth? - This question will start your quest to reality.

-And with a powerful and loving God, why is there so much suffering in the world?
-Why is there a need to test us His people?
-Why did He even created hell? Or satan for that matter.
-Why did He made us imperfect so some of us will go to hell?
-What is the point of all these exercise of Faith?
-What is the point of free will when your path is already chosen by God?

Zeitgeist - Religion



I am asuming you take your refuge in science.

Have you personally seen proof of an expanding universe? Or do you believe what others tell you. Are you having faith in the scientists?
If science was that exact; why do we see so many different opinions in science and so many contradicting theories?
Ever wondered what's the real source of reality? Where and when did it all start? And how?
And with all those well-meaning and rational atheists in the world? Why are we still having problems that should have been caused by religion?

The Bible answers your last 6 questions although you propably won't like the answers:
- God created a perfect world. Including humans with free will. Those humans messed up the perfect world. Auschwitz is commonly mentioned as the reason God does not exist, but who is doing what against who? It's again human against human. Not God against human.
- There are a small number of stories in the Bible where God actually tests his followers. There is Abraham and Job. After that the testing stops. In the Job case God gives an answer in the Bible. Job was very rich and Satan argumented that Job followed God because of that. God showed Satan that Job followed him out of free will by letting Satan taking everything from Job except his life.
- God did not create hell in advance. Hell has more to do with the absence of God and the presence of Satan. It's the domain of the devil and without God it became a terrible place.
Satan wasn't created evil. Satan is an angel and decided to become evil.
- God made us perfect but we messed up. Why? Because we wanted to be as God.
- That's the first good question. I have a daughter with trust issues. Why? We don't know. But even after a 1000 times she isn't 100% sure that we will pick her up at school while we did this more than a 1000 times and never forgot a single time. She must learn to have faith in us and trust us even when we are not visible and telling her every few seconds that we will pick her up. I think the bible in the same way. God gave us his 'Godmanual' and we must overcome our trust issues (that's exactly the problem Adam and Eve were having).
- There is a difference between a given path and free will while still knowing the outcome. The closest thing I can think of is when I play chess against a less experienced player. I sometimes can sense that someone will do a certain move while it is not the best move. I do that by just observing the player for a while. Imagine the things a God could do on this point.
Last edited by Kaw#5407 on Dec 23, 2016, 9:03:31 AM
Threads like these are almost as old as the internet. They were always a self-fellating act of futility.
Nothing smart, interesting or informative to them.
"Into the Labyrinth!
left step, right step, step step, left left.
Into the Labyrinth!"
Last edited by Mythabril#4961 on Dec 23, 2016, 8:36:21 AM
"
Kaw wrote:
You people speak of truth and reason while referencing to a 'documentary' from a conspiracy nutjob. You faithfully (pun intended) believe the religion part because you can use it in your argument. That's not exactly a quality argument there.


If you say so sir, what then would be a quality argument to use here, since you so easily and dismissively categorize the source as a nutjob?
Filthy Casual Scrub.
"Belief is the strongest metal of them all." - Izaro
Last edited by element274#1105 on Dec 23, 2016, 8:44:28 AM

Report Forum Post

Report Account:

Report Type

Additional Info