Leave trading alone, don't waste resources on it
" Must have misinterpreted your thread and previous comments, you do know what was proposed by Chris in his statement was asynchronous trading using the forums, correct? I really can't begin to understand how you think you are entitled to complain about a system you claim to have not used over the past year simply because it involves the forum (and 3rd party apps) If your selling a small number of items you don't need to even use a 3rd party app. I probably still have a thread about selling items that wasn't created with procurement. The system did SUCK before those tools, trading was really limited to trade chat spam and message boards and if that didn't find you what you needed, you used THIS forums search function, something that poe.trade does, but much better. Then procurement came around and it was easier for people to list their items for sell. I can tell you its been overwhelmingly popular. New features, new tools, pretty customizable, ect. So while Chris may have talked about adding this or that, 3rd party has created a better system in the mean time, putting any trade improvements on the backburner as the only thing we are missing now is limited asyronis trading, using what you ask. THE FORUMS I challenge you to use the current system, spend 5 fucking minutes and setup a shop. See how much your trading experience improves, then come back and give feedback. You are essentially complaining about a system you haven't used in a year! https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285 FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF. Last edited by goetzjam#3084 on Feb 13, 2015, 10:25:21 AM
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Yeah, it is like they are counterattacking people that has been being tortured by a trading system that encourages cheating and makes you forcedly use third party tools, and they talk like this should not be coming when Chris himself said one year ago that the improvement was needed and it was under development. I don't really get the point of this thread at this stage.
Like in 2014 is totally acceptable that a game which is built around a virtual economy does not have a proper trade system, but instead officially just a chat to spam offers on it manually, making you lose hundreds of hours of play and encouraging cheating. Last edited by chromafunk#7100 on Feb 14, 2015, 12:57:24 AM
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" LOL hundreds of hours of playing. That is a new one, ima write that down. Please take a moment everyone and appreciate this input. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285
FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF. |
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" Not sure what you misunderstood about it, but they can "improve" the shitty 3rd party nonsense all they want, but it lacks the key feature of being in game. There is nothing they can add that changes this fact whether it's one year or 100. Also, you can try to dismiss how poorly it reflects on them as a company to rely on this stuff, but I challenge you to try what I suggested earlier: Convince another game's player base to use a system like this when an AH already exists. The result would be obvious, and speaks volumes about how foolish it is to defend the "system" we have right now. Your only real reason for not wanting a convenient trade system is that it makes this game "unique," and we already established that isn't a good enough reason. Besides, it isn't actually unique how you think it is. Lots of games use a similar system--they were created in the 90's. There's a reason games moved away from it: It sucks. |
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" ...wait you're honestly waiting for an answer to this? You really haven't heard of d2jsp? Many of the games there have AHs and that site is WAY cruder than poe.trade. Shit, randomly click shit into a forum post and you can get trades. Using jsp you need to deal with taking SSs. Yet that's an extremely popular website. Finished 17th in Rampage - Peaked at 11th
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I played D2 from release to end and basically everyone used d2jsp to trade unless your bot got something like a high roll CoA. ( at the very end, bot infested game )
So I don't know, for me d2jsp is not that far away of poe yzx after all. Same shit. Third party site to trade because the game encourages it. Last edited by chromafunk#7100 on Feb 14, 2015, 8:06:07 AM
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I'd love some GGGenius solutions.
Shit drives me nuts! Spent 2+ hrs last night, to get nothing, even tho talking to people that agreed on there pre set buyout price. I got a pile of currency sitting in it's own pile for - 'well the fucker agreed in game mail, I've got game open and chking back a good 20hrs a day adv, It's been 3 weeks and they haven't actually bothered log in yet..." The amount of morons that'll string you along for up to a hour, and be 'hahaah I'm trolling you bro, that shit's not actually for sale' or 'Oh I don't have time to swap leagues, I just put items on the shop to shit people in softcore' Trade trolls and people who can't handle a shop aside. CURRENCY. Unless your buying/selling in bulk working the markets. It's SOOOO SHIT! Pick the wrong time of day, go to grab just 2 regrets to tweak something in your spec. And you can spend hours in trade, etc. Actually small amounts of any currency is kinda like this, don't want to spend a EX to trade, ya fucked! Soo want a 'currency exchange' Vendor, that buys/sells PLAYER set prices. But that you don't have to deal with morons/sleeping good people. Thru map/zones/leagues/game mail way to trade the items without the 'I'll just be a moment can't drop this map with group' - just to wait around for them to instead just log off. *Shakes fist in rage* More moron proofing please!!! |
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" I would agree that forums aren't much different, however that being said a few things are. poe.trade is a website that allows you to EASILY search for items to buy with whatever stats you want, something that other site doesn't have. In addition PoE's original trade system was the forum trade boards, it still possible, although very painful to list all your items for sell using this method, instead a 3rd party app creates a fast and easy way to list your items that interact with poe.trade better. jsp would be fine to trade with if people didn't use it for cross league trading or cross game trading. If you simply kept in the same market and only used gold gained from trades in that league it would be technically the same, but people don't do that. That is why one site is fine and one isn't. @rex You want the burden of proof for change to be on the one fighting it rather then the one suggesting it. Doesn't that sound a little dumb to you? You won't ever, EVER get an AH in PoE, stop trying. If it is that big of a deal to you stop playing, I don't care, it won't ever happen. I have many reasons why I don't want automated trading, I gave 1 example. Others have given examples as well. I won't reply to your comments in this thread anymore because your ONLY argument is 3rd party tools. THEN DON'T USE THEM. You can still easily list a dozen or two items with B\O without using any tools. Instead you ignore my request to use the system, yet you want to change the system for everyone when you can't be bothered to FUCKING TRY IT. @bwety Shit happens, asyncronis one off trades sounds like it would solve your problem, its been mentioned here many times. Something I support in a very limited fashion.. I see plenty of people selling regrets, large and small, the issue with currency trading mainly happens in the temp leagues, NOT in standard, unless your only offering 1c or something each, then of course you aren't going to get any deals. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285
FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF. |
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" I don't know how you think d2jsp = in-game AH, but it's not. What we have now is closer to d2jsp, and the only difference is that this has a little more support via Procurement. @Goetzjam The fact that you think a forum-based search function is easier than an in-game AH suggests that you've never played a game that has one. Try most any of these and you'll see that it's simple enough to just have in the game: WoW Rift D&D Online SW: ToR Wildstar FF 14: ARR They all function basically the same. You Go up to the AH, enter your search criteria, bid/buy whatever you want, list your own items conveniently and quickly, and resume playing--all without the interruption of having to use 3rd party nonsense, having to worry about the online status of the other player, and don't have to deal with him trying to low-ball your item that you want to sell or overpricing his item since there's enough VISIBLE competition that you can simply tell him to go fuck himself if he tries to do either of these. This is far healthier for an economy than the bullshit in place now. The reason you don't want to take my challenge seriously is because you KNOW the answer, whether you like to admit it or not. None of those games would accept such an inferior method of trade. Try all you want to deflect or deflate it, but that's the simple truth. Last edited by AlbinosaurusRex#6133 on Feb 15, 2015, 7:17:18 AM
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