Marauder - [2.0.0] Kaom's Legacy : How to Cyclone - (30C Atziri Build - Indepth Guide for Beginners) - Forum

" xSiMx wrote: " leto2626 wrote: So the movement speed cycloner is dead, you can't be serious this still works without attack speed in 2.0? Just when I was about to make my first cycloner, GGG fixed it :( Does GGG really change this? Did you have an quote about that or something? Your post really confused me and i dont find something that they changed it I can't find confirmation, but it was Willywonka's favorite OP build and it doesn't work anymore so it's pretty real :( Last edited by leto2626#2588 on Jul 19, 2015, 8:30:28 AM	Posted by leto2626#2588 on Jul 19, 2015, 8:30:15 AM Quote this Post
" Khululeka wrote: Well, I don't know how it was since this is my first and only character and I only recently started using cyclone. But when I try to make the shortest cast possible, I still get more than 1 hit in. Even with the faster run flask activated, so with 60% faster run. So perhaps they made the pulses faster? It seems to me that if you get more than 1 hit per cast, attack speed will matter. But perhaps I am using it wrong, or reasoning wrong. I am looking forward to the results of your testing, Vincendra. CYCLONE WITH MS IS STILL WORKING. IT IS "WONKY" NOW SINCE YOU HAVE A SMALL MINIMUM TRAVEL DISTANCE (to fix getting stuck on bosses casting cyclone 1 billion times/sec). WITH THE CHANGE TO BASE WEAPON DAMAGE AND INCREASE OF BASE IAS IT DOES MAKE NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE IF YOU PLAY IAS CYCLONE OR MS (esp. with Disfavour). I am testing right now, and made HUGE changes to the tree in general. I find the damage in mid- high maps to be too high to pass up upon Fortify and Armor atm IMHO. Im still having problems with the Atziri trio (I have found a 6l corrupted with the right collours), since IC got hit so hard. Maps are fine, damage is fine. New GG Weapon is Disfavour. Bases got nerfed, Disfavour has base phys added and trumps my standard Karui chopper now. Vaal axes are better in general then Karui choppers. You do not use any auras and you get the BM Keystone with the life behind it. You use added fire instead of BM/reduced mana gem (which ironically gives nearly as much added damage as hatred/HoA together). Might need another 2 weeks to test (esp. because I have not to work next week and can update the tree then. http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1158669 Cyclone MARA Beginners and Advanced Guide.	Posted by Vincendra#0721 on Jul 19, 2015, 1:25:18 PM Quote this Post
hi vincendra, i have the same opinion than you, but the atziri trio is still easy imo. you dont even need the IC setup. im doing the bitch first, then the cycloner and the striker at last (wait untill his rage runs out). i feel that defenses in general are much more important in maps 74+ than it was befor the patch. was running cyclone - mpd - fa - af - fortify- inc aoe untill yesterday but switched inc aoe to LgoH then, which gives a lot more survivability (but less dmg ofc). also i dropped some HP to get some EC out of the tree. was at nearly 6k hp before, now its 5,4k. current tree: Spoiler https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwEABLMFLQmWC2EMXw48ERoS4RNME8kUIBRxF-EYkRo-GlUcpyW8JvgpLi5TMHc26DkOOlI64TwFPC09_EZpR35N404yUEdTpVdUWGNZ_l8_YSFhUmRSZU1lp2jycqlza3Ttdqx7dHy4fNl99YIHg1-DzITZhO-FUoZgh2qKs4zPkGyRzpOol3miAKLqplepJ6mUrY2uUK9stz677byfvTa-p8BmwaPE9sauxtjPftNv2L3ZYdl82sHbT9-_4MPiYeRR6hjrCe8O73zwH_Iv8kHyRfZI9zL46_4K?accountName=Hyron&characterName=Mokugeki current gear: Spoiler was lucky enough to get a 6l daressos for only 8ex :D unluckyly im not resi capped at the moment. missing 10% lightres, but im at 71% chaos res. Last edited by Hyron#2986 on Jul 20, 2015, 5:54:04 AM	Posted by Hyron#2986 on Jul 20, 2015, 5:52:10 AM Quote this Post
I don't see a reason in BM AA is really strong + Ash is increasing clear speed 1red mana node or jewel, could let us run haste so overall quite strong buffs which are enabled with mana and I reached 78 maps and had no problems at all with dmg of monsters	Posted by Ceratoidei#4354 on Jul 20, 2015, 7:44:32 AM Quote this Post
" Ceratoidei wrote: I don't see a reason in BM AA is really strong + Ash is increasing clear speed 1red mana node or jewel, could let us run haste so overall quite strong buffs which are enabled with mana and I reached 78 maps and had no problems at all with dmg of monsters 1.) Ash is strong, but there is no felt "added clearspeed" from the ash procc on a cycloner. the burn is most of the time to slow/low so you will reach the mob and cyclone him anyways. 2.) Haste does nothing for the build besides 8% Ms. Id rather use ash/AA. 3.) AAs chilled ground CAN POSSIBLY be a defensive tool, since monsters get chilled. I still prefer to have 35% increased life behind the BM Keystone though, because atm I am using a CWDT(1) setup with AB/GMP/incDur. For hard encounters I switch GMP for Temp Chains. Also, I got some serious close calls with 5k life allready in 73-74 maps (14k armor with Granite) http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1158669 Cyclone MARA Beginners and Advanced Guide.	Posted by Vincendra#0721 on Jul 20, 2015, 9:30:16 AM Quote this Post
been using your build since the last update :D ( waiting for your new skill tree & EQ + skill gem list before i continue the game XD ) so, for 2.0 disfavour is better then the other 2 u suggested before?	Posted by dearblues#1718 on Jul 20, 2015, 10:16:37 AM Quote this Post
" Vincendra wrote: " Khululeka wrote: Well, I don't know how it was since this is my first and only character and I only recently started using cyclone. But when I try to make the shortest cast possible, I still get more than 1 hit in. Even with the faster run flask activated, so with 60% faster run. So perhaps they made the pulses faster? It seems to me that if you get more than 1 hit per cast, attack speed will matter. But perhaps I am using it wrong, or reasoning wrong. I am looking forward to the results of your testing, Vincendra. CYCLONE WITH MS IS STILL WORKING. IT IS "WONKY" NOW SINCE YOU HAVE A SMALL MINIMUM TRAVEL DISTANCE (to fix getting stuck on bosses casting cyclone 1 billion times/sec). WITH THE CHANGE TO BASE WEAPON DAMAGE AND INCREASE OF BASE IAS IT DOES MAKE NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE IF YOU PLAY IAS CYCLONE OR MS (esp. with Disfavour). I am testing right now, and made HUGE changes to the tree in general. I find the damage in mid- high maps to be too high to pass up upon Fortify and Armor atm IMHO. Im still having problems with the Atziri trio (I have found a 6l corrupted with the right collours), since IC got hit so hard. Maps are fine, damage is fine. New GG Weapon is Disfavour. Bases got nerfed, Disfavour has base phys added and trumps my standard Karui chopper now. Vaal axes are better in general then Karui choppers. You do not use any auras and you get the BM Keystone with the life behind it. You use added fire instead of BM/reduced mana gem (which ironically gives nearly as much added damage as hatred/HoA together). Might need another 2 weeks to test (esp. because I have not to work next week and can update the tree then. ty for the great work, please keep us updated! :)	Posted by hitreza#5945 on Jul 20, 2015, 10:21:28 AM Quote this Post
My build is still going strong at level 87 with around 22k tooltip dps without buffs on AoE. Increases a lot with Conc Effect, Vaal Haste, Frenzy Charges, Onslaught, and both flasks. Build got nerfed in terms of life but not so much for dps. However, I grabbed some passive life nodes to make up for the loss. Now with around 6.7k life. Passive Tree Gear	Posted by negusmaster#0233 on Jul 23, 2015, 1:27:00 PM Quote this Post
Updated for 2.0.0. http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1158669 Cyclone MARA Beginners and Advanced Guide.	Posted by Vincendra#0721 on Jul 26, 2015, 9:10:33 AM Quote this Post
There seems to be a drastic change in the passive tree moving from Cruel A4 to Marc 1/2. I am pretty confused as to which tree to follow. IGN: Shocknami	Posted by Polyintrinsic#0081 on Jul 26, 2015, 7:13:52 PM Quote this Post