Lightning Thorns

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raics wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

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raics wrote:

As I wrote a couple of pages ago, and it was probably in nobody's interest to notice, my incinerate-using caster mara would kill himself almost instantly on even one shielded enemy. However, he has other skills at his disposal and after switching his main to fireball I kept levelled as backup there were no more problems whatsoever, be like water, my pupil and you shall pass.

And, there is an easy fix for all your lightning arrow troubles, remove offscreen damage and make LA activate its aoe only on last hit in chain. It's that simple. And it would be true skill balancing, not ridiculous 10% less damage they implemented.

I read the incinerate post you made, and yea, that is quite ridiculous, the only suggestion i can think of for you is to have a Flame totem somehwere for when those mobs pop up, cause 1 LT mob+incinerate=your death.. as well as use conversion traps etc. but yeah try to see if flame totem helps, summon some skeles so you have something to tank for you

Well, the whole point of the post was that thorns ended up as a non-issue because of large skill selection, fire trap and molten shield (not 100% certain about that one) don't trigger LT, flame totem kills itself and fireball doesn't do enough hits to off you even with LMP on.

I read your incinerate post, I even told one of my in-game buddies about it as I was replying to the thread.
I understand there are other skills and workarounds.

Currently my game-plan to fight LT enemies is to weapon swap to an axe+board, leap slam around till I can get into some favorable position (faster attacks+7 frenzy charges with leap slam is FAST AS HELL), and swap back and ATTEMPT to use Frenzy to down the casters one at a time.

If I'm in a cramped space (Dungeon/Tunnel map etc.) then this simply is not possible and I have to resort to firing very sparingly at the shield guys when I see LT is not on them. Sometimes they'll gain LT while I'm firing, and I'll lose 3/4 of my hp almost immediately. That's ridiculous. Even when I'm careful this skill is broken.

give LA and any other infinite ranged attack a limited distance would make it abit more fair for all

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Awsome8 wrote:

give LA and any other infinite ranged attack a limited distance would make it abit more fair for all

Projectiles do have a limited range. Most arrow-based attacks will only fly a very small distance off the screen, but projectile speed increases the speed at which the arrows travel without changing how long they'll stay active, allowing you to fire them multiple screens away.

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VictorDoom wrote:

It basically looks like LT will make every char need a counter for that specific type of mobs.. quite annoying, but there is the possibility that its their intention

Perhaps, as there are already very nasty combinations, a group of multiprojectile voidbears in docks will fry most melees in a jiffie. If it's only one rare with mp you got a sporting chance but vs several blues - hardly any. You really got to have some distraction handy just in case of such an encounter or perhaps a semilevelled frost armor, even on low skill levels it helps immensely.

Maybe both LT and voidbear problem could be handled by introducing 'spell damage reduced by X' as a common mod on gear. However, mod pool on most equipment types is already overcrowded, it would be too much to have another mod to look for besides defense, life, ele resist, chaos...

Lightning thorns almost kills me with my LA+LMP even without Chain. LA Builds where really great for some time but now i would need to hire a recon, better a spy satellite to make this playable again. Just dont know how i should be able to control offscreen results with my pewpew all the time. There is always still something left a little further away.

Only solution i could think of would be giving my Iceshot-LMP-FasterAttack Totem the LA+Chain and i use Iceshot myselves, but this sucks. At least Chain will drop in price for sure lol.

Btw does anyone know the xyz in "thorns does 1-xyz damage per hit"?

Henk, who will eventually go back to his templar or witch for now.

Would love to see a statement from GGG...I think this thread has gone on long enough to warrant one

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HopTortoise wrote:

Would love to see a statement from GGG...I think this thread has gone on long enough to warrant one

Agreed

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HopTortoise wrote:

Would love to see a statement from GGG...I think this thread has gone on long enough to warrant one

+1

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PhoenixFlame wrote:

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HopTortoise wrote:

Would love to see a statement from GGG...I think this thread has gone on long enough to warrant one

+1

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VictorDoom wrote:

It basically looks like LT will make every char need a counter for that specific type of mobs.. quite annoying, but there is the possibility that its their intention

Didn't read the entire thread, but this sums up my feelings. Whether it's their intention or not though, I'm not sure people will bother using specific counters for this. At least for me the zone with these mobs have become yet another in a long list that I just run through without killing anything (except the dude for the quest). I just can't be bothered single target killing white mobs and still risk a instant death.