Lightning Thorns

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Drahken wrote:

You dodged all my points, responded with goofyness and attempts to slander other skills and somehow thought I gave a fk about what your friendslist does, and frankly you probably suck at more then just this game.. life in general.

now here is a guy that takes shit serious

watch out guys, we got a badass in the house

omg u gaiz so cool can i be ur frendz?

(good job at making yourselves look like knobheads, especially you drahkhen)

pointless thread, now its just down to random insults and asshattery

EDIT: Dusk, you should probably stop responding to morons on the internet, i personally find that by not doing that i save a few minutes of my life and i also avoid getting angry which in turn helps, because getting angry is not healthy

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Drahken wrote:

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Duskbane wrote:

Now it's pretty clear you're an idiot.
Lightning thorns doesn't care how much damage you deal, it hits you for a flat amount when you hit something.

everyone already knows this, idiot.

I have an LA I dont know how many times I have to say this. and when you are hitting several dozen times per spam and to mobs not even on screen its over powered.

if they reduce the damage it does by 50%.. it doesnt matter when you are multiplying that 50% damage left over by 25-30 hits.

infact its not even 50% reduction, its 30%.

this is setup without even using chain, and it is still overpowered. chain takes it to another level.

(owned.)

some extra ownage for you nimwitted folks: its actually 45% increased damage (not even lvl 20 skill gem) just 30% less damage effectiveness.

multiply that by 30 hits, do the math, shut up.

Ok, I'm not even going to bother going through the 4 or 5 posts you've made here in the last hour, because there's no reason. I've already countered every argument you've made and you just repeat the same things over and over. Other people are countering your arguments too. You stand alone.

This entire quoted post is pointless, and ignorant. The thread topic is Lightning Thorns. Lightning Thorns does not care about your damage effectiveness, your increased damage, how hard Lightning Arrow hits, how powerful LA is, or whether LA needs a nerf. That is not the topic. If you want to complain about LA needing a nerf, go make a thread titled "LA needs a nerf" and give your reasons. That is not the point of this thread.

The point of this thread is to show GGG (and others) that Lightning Thorns is too powerful. Disregard chain for a moment. I've pointed out way, way too many times that one singular arrow can hit me for between 1000 and 1500 damage vs an enemy with Lightning Thorns, when I have 75% lightning resist. Chain has nothing to do with that. Lightning Arrow has nothing to do with that. LMP/GMP has nothing to do with that.

That is just TOO powerful.

As to your other rage-filled posts, it's clear you're only angry because you know we've shown that you're wrong too many times to count.

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VictorDoom wrote:

omg u gaiz so cool can i be ur frendz?

(good job at making yourselves look like knobheads, especially you drahkhen)

pointless thread, now its just down to random insults and asshattery

EDIT: Dusk, you should probably stop responding to morons on the internet, i personally find that by not doing that i save a few minutes of my life and also avoid getting angry which in turn will help you, because getting angry is not healthy

Vic, I'd like to buy you a goddamn beer :)
/salute

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VictorDoom wrote:

EDIT: Dusk, you should probably stop responding to morons on the internet, i personally find that by not doing that i save a few minutes of my life and i also avoid getting angry which in turn helps, because getting angry is not healthy

I know man, it does me no good personally but I also want this thread to stay up top so that hopefully GGG can read through it and maybe give their own response or do something about it. I guess the half-arguing and half-constructive discussion (maybe it's more like 10% constructive discussion) is doing the bumping for me.

As for not getting angry, I'm not angry, I think most of this is funny to be honest.

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Dragon585 wrote:

Vic, I'd like to buy you a goddamn beer :)
/salute

beer is always welcome!

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Duskbane wrote:

I know man, it does me no good personally but I also want this thread to stay up top so that hopefully GGG can read through it and maybe give their own response or do something about it. I guess the half-arguing and half-constructive discussion (maybe it's more like 10% constructive discussion) is doing the bumping for me.

As for not getting angry, I'm not angry, I think most of this is funny to be honest.

Im sure they read it, they read a lot of posts even of mine that i thought will never get noticed, they even read some of the shit good ideas i had,like making a keystone only for melees which would obviously force every melee char to take and they dont want acutally no-braining in making builds, they read the threads even if they dont respond to them.

The point of this thread, originally, was to point out how melee was getting smashed in the game, its not enough that melees always have to take damage while ranged doidnt, but theres also thorns, but instead of buffing melee, they, for some reason known only to them, just made every other class have a harder time as if it wasnt hard enough, instead of buffing melee.. they just made everyone have the risk of killing themselves, werent reflect auras enough to do that?

I'm not for making the game easier, but seriously, they need to nerf this thing down a bit, and i know they already started of thinking up ways to buff melee builds exclusively but until they do that melee builds are still getting double dipped into trouble

I'm always angry. Don't tell anyone. DRAGON SMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!

But seriously, LT needs to be looked at. Only in the last week have I finally worked my way up to lvl 70 maps on my first endgame melee, and LT is just a major bummer. I posted my story like 8 pages ago. It's 100% true and 100% unbelievable how fast I was killed with extra precautions taken.

I would very much like it if GGG would engage in some discussion about this with us as well.

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VictorDoom wrote:

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Dragon585 wrote:

Vic, I'd like to buy you a goddamn beer :)
/salute

beer is always welcome!

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Duskbane wrote:

I know man, it does me no good personally but I also want this thread to stay up top so that hopefully GGG can read through it and maybe give their own response or do something about it. I guess the half-arguing and half-constructive discussion (maybe it's more like 10% constructive discussion) is doing the bumping for me.

As for not getting angry, I'm not angry, I think most of this is funny to be honest.

Im sure they read it, they read a lot of posts even of mine that i thought will never get noticed, they even read some of the less good ideas i had,like making a keystone only for melees which would obviously force every melee char to take and they dont want acutally no-braining in making builds, they read the threads even if they dont respond to them.

The point of this thread, originally, was to point out how melee was getting smashed in the game, its not enough that melees always have to take damage while ranged doont, but theres also thorns, but instead of buffing melee, they, for some reason known only to them, just made every other class have a harder time as if it wasnt hard enough, instead of buffing melee.. they just made everyone have the risk of killing themselves, werent reflect auras enough to do that?

I'm not for making the game easier, but seriously, they need to nerf this thing down a bit, and i know they already started of thinking up ways to buff melee builds exclusively

As the melee who have commented in this thread post-change have said, they claim that it's fixed for them because LT was reduced in damage when it was changed to affect all hits. The problem is that barring multistrike or cyclone, melee generally doesn't hit more than a couple times with one attack. In addition, melee also has to have the LT'd target in clear sight to be able to hit it. Ranged works differently in those regards. Melee also usually had more HP as a result of having to be directly in the line of fire to attack.

Basically, it's fixed for melee, but now it's broken for ranged.

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As the melee who have commented in this thread post-change have said, they claim that it's fixed for them because LT was reduced in damage when it was changed to affect all hits. The problem is that barring multistrike or cyclone, melee generally doesn't hit more than a couple times with one attack. In addition, melee also has to have the LT'd target in clear sight to be able to hit it. Ranged works differently in those regards. Melee also usually had more HP as a result of having to be directly in the line of fire to attack.

Basically, it's fixed for melee, but now it's broken for ranged.

It is SO not fixed for melee...
Splash anyone?

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VictorDoom wrote:

omg u gaiz so cool can i be ur frendz?

(good job at making yourselves look like knobheads, especially you drahkhen)

pointless thread, now its just down to random insults and asshattery

EDIT: Dusk, you should probably stop responding to morons on the internet, i personally find that by not doing that i save a few minutes of my life and i also avoid getting angry which in turn helps, because getting angry is not healthy

lol.. people debating the game and you call them knobheads.

listen we have been on this forum for the same amount of time, I have 200 something posts you have 2000. I dont need you crying about other people sharing their opinions on the mechanics of the game.

knobber