You know, if you want to complain about lightning thorns that's fine.
What bugs me is all the ranged people trying to frame it like they have it worse now. What's all this crap about melee being able to see enemies sooner and are therefore better able to react? And ranged having uber number of hits per second that makes melee trivial in comparison?
Lightning thorns has **always** been this painful, if not more so, prior to the nerf. Those mages used to cast more frequently, from further away, and thorns actually hurt way more.
Reaction time? Granted melee don't get to kill things 2 screens away, but it used to be those mages would spam thorns on everything you touched **while** you were attacking. Nothing was touchable with AoE as long as one or two of them were even nearby. Be thankful you don't have to deal with mages with what seemed like fast-casting support equipped. We haven't even gotten to how desync and lag typically affect melee more than ranged.
I agree ranged generally have faster attacks, but melee have their own problems too which should not be trivialized. Cyclone requires you to commit to a attack path which cannot be stopped halfway. Imagine how fun or usable this skill was with the pre-nerf mages around...
Is it so necessary to step on melee to make your points? Especially when it's debatable whether ranged actually does have it harder now than pre-nerf melee...
Okay pal guess what you do not have chain attached to GMP which bounces from multiple targets and I'll make a picture for you... big pack of mobs and Multiple thorns which I did not see... and my LA bouncing alllllllll over the place.... GGG I'd say and 1 shot. So how is this good?
you are able to do that much damage to mobs that cant even see or attack you yet?
ya LA needs a nerf.
Now it's pretty clear you're an idiot.
Lightning thorns doesn't care how much damage you deal, it hits you for a flat amount when you hit something.
Okay pal guess what you do not have chain attached to GMP which bounces from multiple targets and I'll make a picture for you... big pack of mobs and Multiple thorns which I did not see... and my LA bouncing alllllllll over the place.... GGG I'd say and 1 shot. So how is this good?
you are able to do that much damage to mobs that cant even see or attack you yet?
ya LA needs a nerf.
Now it's pretty clear you're an idiot.
Lightning thorns doesn't care how much damage you deal, it hits you for a flat amount when you hit something.
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Last edited by VictorDoom#6290 on Apr 15, 2013, 8:43:19 AM
Now it's pretty clear you're an idiot.
Lightning thorns doesn't care how much damage you deal, it hits you for a flat amount when you hit something.
everyone already knows this, idiot.
I have an LA I dont know how many times I have to say this. and when you are hitting several dozen times per spam and to mobs not even on screen its over powered.
if they reduce the damage it does by 50%.. it doesnt matter when you are multiplying that 50% damage left over by 25-30 hits.
infact its not even 50% reduction, its 30%.
this is setup without even using chain, and it is still overpowered. chain takes it to another level.
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some extra ownage for you nimwitted folks: its actually 45% increased damage (not even lvl 20 skill gem) just 30% less damage effectiveness.
multiply that by 30 hits, do the math, shut up.
Last edited by Drahken#7486 on Apr 15, 2013, 9:22:30 AM
I really don't understand your point Drakhfuiesnuien,
are you just trying to say since "melee players" had it "tough" for a while, now another class should have it "tough" as their divine consequence for having shit be "easy?"
death is a very real threat on all my characters WITHOUT thorns being fucked with. there are PLENTY of things that can kill me and PLENTY of mistakes i can make that can get me fucked on any of my characters whether they are ranged or melee
broken spells like lightning thorns have no place in this game
Last edited by HopTortoise#6758 on Apr 15, 2013, 9:09:11 AM
I really don't understand your point Drakhfuiesnuien,
are you just trying to say since "melee players" had it "tough" for a while, now another class should have it "tough" as their divine consequence for having shit be "easy?"
death is a very real threat on all my characters WITHOUT thorns being fucked with. there are PLENTY of things that can kill me and PLENTY of mistakes i can make that can get me fucked on any of my characters whether they are ranged or melee
broken spells like lightning thorns have no place in this game
you kidding me? the whole point of the game is those monsters are suppose to try and kill you... maybe you should find an easier game if you are so worried about things that can kill you.
my point is we got people on here crying that LT is so ridiculous vs LA and its mostly because LA is so ridiculously over powered.
its not a problem that you can hit enough times off screen to mobs that can't even engage you with the quick stroke of some LA spam that it would instant kill you if the slightest bit of it was reflected back?
why is it all of a sudden a huge issue that these monsters aren't entirely defenseless anymore? (edit: only a ridiculously small fraction of the monsters aren't defenseless anymore, LA is still entirely cheap to 99% of the game)
your entire complaint of why LT is overpowered vs LA proves my arguement of LA being overpowered.. you can't have it both ways.
you simply want an easy lame game with one skill needed to spam to victory with no challenge, please go find a different game.
Last edited by Drahken#7486 on Apr 15, 2013, 9:18:46 AM
I really don't understand your point Drakhfuiesnuien,
are you just trying to say since "melee players" had it "tough" for a while, now another class should have it "tough" as their divine consequence for having shit be "easy?"
death is a very real threat on all my characters WITHOUT thorns being fucked with. there are PLENTY of things that can kill me and PLENTY of mistakes i can make that can get me fucked on any of my characters whether they are ranged or melee
broken spells like lightning thorns have no place in this game
you kidding me? the whole point of the game is those monsters are suppose to try and kill you... maybe you should find an easier game if you are so worried about things that can kill you.
my point is we got people on here crying that LT is so ridiculous vs LA and its mostly because LA is so ridiculously over powered.
its not a problem that you can hit enough times off screen to mobs that can't even engage you with the quick stroke of some LA spam that it would instant kill you if the slightest bit of it was reflected back?
why is it all of a sudden a huge issue that these monsters aren't entirely defenseless anymore?
your entire complaint of why LT is overpowered vs LA proves my arguement of LA being overpowered.. you can't have it both ways.
you simply want an easy lame game with one skill needed to spam to victory with no challenge, please go find a different game.
so you are camping this thread 24/7, replying to every single post every single person posts who disagrees with you, because you are SO PASSIONATE that other players should have their builds and characters be instagibbed
and no, i never once thought LA was "overpowered" and don't really think it is. theres lots of powerful skills in this game. freezing pulse, spell totem, cleave...
in fact there are so many powerful builds i'd have a hard time pointing out which one was "over" powered.
i don't think LA is "easy" and "lame" and "you only spam one skill"
or if thats the case, i could name about a dozen other builds that do pretty much the same exact thing with a different spell who have no punishment for this! OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! lol...
i change out skills all the time. mostly the auxiliary ones, like curses, totems, etc, to deal with the various encounters. but no im not used to having to change a PRIMARY ATTACK on a character...
in fact none of the people i play with do that or need to do that with any build they use. guess that means they are all overpowered? dual spark totem guy!! you overpowered fuck! all you have to do is cast spell totems and curses! you should be nerfed!!
ele cleave man! you piece of shit!! change your skills! you have been using the same primary attack for over 3 maps! boring shithead!!
freezing pulse guy! wtf you doing! stop using that spell!
dude you must SUCK to play with, honestly.
Last edited by HopTortoise#6758 on Apr 15, 2013, 9:22:44 AM
So to play the game, or at least do maps with LT pack u need one of the most expensive armor in the game ( Kaoms ) + Elemental Adaptation with Purity build + 200% or more Maximun Life nodes. Nice
I really don't understand your point Drakhfuiesnuien,
are you just trying to say since "melee players" had it "tough" for a while, now another class should have it "tough" as their divine consequence for having shit be "easy?"
death is a very real threat on all my characters WITHOUT thorns being fucked with. there are PLENTY of things that can kill me and PLENTY of mistakes i can make that can get me fucked on any of my characters whether they are ranged or melee
broken spells like lightning thorns have no place in this game
you kidding me? the whole point of the game is those monsters are suppose to try and kill you... maybe you should find an easier game if you are so worried about things that can kill you.
my point is we got people on here crying that LT is so ridiculous vs LA and its mostly because LA is so ridiculously over powered.
its not a problem that you can hit enough times off screen to mobs that can't even engage you with the quick stroke of some LA spam that it would instant kill you if the slightest bit of it was reflected back?
why is it all of a sudden a huge issue that these monsters aren't entirely defenseless anymore?
your entire complaint of why LT is overpowered vs LA proves my arguement of LA being overpowered.. you can't have it both ways.
you simply want an easy lame game with one skill needed to spam to victory with no challenge, please go find a different game.
so you are camping this thread 24/7, replying to every single post every single person posts who disagrees with you, because you are SO PASSIONATE that other players should have their builds and characters be instagibbed
and no, i never once thought LA was "overpowered" and don't really think it is. theres lots of powerful skills in this game. freezing pulse, spell totem, cleave...
in fact there are so many powerful builds i'd have a hard time pointing out which one was "over" powered.
i don't think LA is "easy" and "lame" and "you only spam one skill"
or if thats the case, i could name about a dozen other builds that do pretty much the same exact thing with a different spell who have no punishment for this! OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! lol...
i change out skills all the time. mostly the auxiliary ones, like curses, totems, etc, to deal with the various encounters. but no im not used to having to change a PRIMARY ATTACK on a character...
in fact none of the people i play with do that or need to do that with any build they use. guess that means they are all overpowered? dual spark totem guy!! you overpowered fuck! all you have to do is cast spell totems and curses! you should be nerfed!!
ele cleave man! you piece of shit!! change your skills! you have been using the same primary attack for over 3 maps! boring shithead!!
freezing pulse guy! wtf you doing! stop using that spell!
dude you must SUCK to play with, honestly.
its hilarious that at the same time you cry like a baby about someone pointing out how overpowered a skill is and it affecting you that hes pointing it out.. you attempt to throw several other skills under the bus.
frankly its funny how upset you are about your cheezeball build having 1 thing that adds any challenge.
I have an LA that I have played probably 200+ hours on, he has never been anything other then an LA with PA on the side. I am not just picking on some other spectrum that I chose to ignore in this game.
You dodged all my points, responded with goofyness and attempts to slander other skills and somehow thought I gave a fk about what your friendslist does, and frankly you probably suck at more then just this game.. life in general.
LA is overpowered, and this is a beta.. you act as if other over powered skills have never been nerfed.. my flicker strike duelist from closed beta would like a word with you. I'm not camping this thread, but its funny because 50% of the posts on this thread were from people like you complaining that melee needs to find away around the issue pre-patch.. only a few of my posts have even brought up the overpoweredness of LA because frankly its sickening listening to you all cry about this so much, when the sole reason is your character is grossly and ridiculously overpowered and it waters down the game as a whole.
Last edited by Drahken#7486 on Apr 15, 2013, 9:31:03 AM
also it's kind of crazy that anybody who disagrees you with is labeled a "whiner"
fascinating. excellent, logical points you have there, sir.
keep camping this thread, i am sure GGG values your opinion highly
cute.. you imply that someone sucks to play with because they have a different opinion then you do, and then complain when you have something similar done to you.
I think you have more posts on this thread then I do.. but of course you know nothing of hypocrisy as mentioned above LOL
