Lightning Thorns

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VictorDoom wrote:
Oh look, since they changed lightning thorns to affect everyone not only melee this thread grew by 12 pages.. i wonder why...


Well Vic, it's because ranged are now having the same if not even more severe problems than melee had even with a reduction in LT's damage. GGG dropped the ball a bit on this one and we are letting them know that.
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I dusted off my mara fire caster just to check it out and it's brutal :)

Incinerate is perfectly unusable on just a whiff of lightning shield, one single shielded enemy is enough for you to off yourself before you even get a chance to react. I only flicked it a couple of times and it was enough to almost kill me every time.

Thankfully, this mara has quite an arsenal, flame totem works nice... kills himself in a fraction of a second, true, but better him than me. Fire trap does the job of dispatching witches admirably... unless they knock it out in the air with arc before it gets a chance to explode. However, levelled fireball I most insightfully kept in secondary weapon did the trick most of the time, it can kill en enemy or two at a time without pinging the whole crowd and sending me into the loving bosom of whatever is the karui version of valkyries.

So yeah, remove your auras form action bar and use more skills.
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Last edited by raics#7540 on Apr 14, 2013, 8:53:44 PM
I had the pleasure of meeting the lighting thorn death today at level 74 on my Ranger w/ GMP Chain... Off screen into a pack of mobs where my group member was fighting. However I 1 shotted myself with out even noticing their was lighting thorns. Thank you GGG wasting my time and making characters completely broken and only able to spec things that do not reflect like RAIN OF BORING. Thank you for breaking this game even more.. I once enjoyed playing hardcore and the spec I had LA... Now i can't even do that? wtf is this game turning into another d3? Fix your shit so I can once again play a LA ranger.
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TweaKz251 wrote:
I had the pleasure of meeting the lighting thorn death today at level 74 on my Ranger w/ GMP Chain... Off screen into a pack of mobs where my group member was fighting. However I 1 shotted myself with out even noticing their was lighting thorns. Thank you GGG wasting my time and making characters completely broken and only able to spec things that do not reflect like RAIN OF BORING. Thank you for breaking this game even more.. I once enjoyed playing hardcore and the spec I had LA... Now i can't even do that? wtf is this game turning into another d3? Fix your shit so I can once again play a LA ranger.


Yeah i know how u feel. However im playing sc now just losed more than 50% lvl due lighting thorns, ppl trying saying that its just play carefull or shits like that, thats not the question, the question is sometimes u just face packs with invu/regen/totems and many other thing that dosent worth the time that u will spend to kill or the chance to get your charac dead (HC), sometimes i spend more time trying to kill LT packs than killing a map boss and its dosent make sense to me.
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Yeah i know how u feel. However im playing sc now just losed more than 50% lvl due lighting thorns, ppl trying saying that its just play carefull or shits like that, thats not the question, the question is sometimes u just face packs with invu/regen/totems and many other thing that dosent worth the time that u will spend to kill or the chance to get your charac dead (HC), sometimes i spend more time trying to kill LT packs than killing a map boss and its dosent make sense to me.



TBH this was my 2nd ranger first was 86 had a death to puncture at Lord of bows through wall.. however I'll accept that fate the Lighting thorns need something reworked or put them back to the way they were... Cool melee are gimped by them then LET RANGED KILL THEM. K thnx GGG.
This is absolutely Fu****.
FIX THE GOD DAMNED GAME, YOU BROKE IT FOR EVERYONE.

Packs of these assholes were bad enough with the already stupidly OP Shield charge mobs.
Last edited by Caddin#7096 on Apr 14, 2013, 11:42:20 PM
You know, if you want to complain about lightning thorns that's fine.

What bugs me is all the ranged people trying to frame it like they have it worse now. What's all this crap about melee being able to see enemies sooner and are therefore better able to react? And ranged having uber number of hits per second that makes melee trivial in comparison?

Lightning thorns has **always** been this painful, if not more so, prior to the nerf. Those mages used to cast more frequently, from further away, and thorns actually hurt way more.

Reaction time? Granted melee don't get to kill things 2 screens away, but it used to be those mages would spam thorns on everything you touched **while** you were attacking. Nothing was touchable with AoE as long as one or two of them were even nearby. Be thankful you don't have to deal with mages with what seemed like fast-casting support equipped. We haven't even gotten to how desync and lag typically affect melee more than ranged.

I agree ranged generally have faster attacks, but melee have their own problems too which should not be trivialized. Cyclone requires you to commit to a attack path which cannot be stopped halfway. Imagine how fun or usable this skill was with the pre-nerf mages around...

Is it so necessary to step on melee to make your points? Especially when it's debatable whether ranged actually does have it harder now than pre-nerf melee...
Toupy - Lv93 Facebreaker Cyclone Duelist
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You know, if you want to complain about lightning thorns that's fine.

What bugs me is all the ranged people trying to frame it like they have it worse now. What's all this crap about melee being able to see enemies sooner and are therefore better able to react? And ranged having uber number of hits per second that makes melee trivial in comparison?

Lightning thorns has **always** been this painful, if not more so, prior to the nerf. Those mages used to cast more frequently, from further away, and thorns actually hurt way more.

Reaction time? Granted melee don't get to kill things 2 screens away, but it used to be those mages would spam thorns on everything you touched **while** you were attacking. Nothing was touchable with AoE as long as one or two of them were even nearby. Be thankful you don't have to deal with mages with what seemed like fast-casting support equipped. We haven't even gotten to how desync and lag typically affect melee more than ranged.

I agree ranged generally have faster attacks, but melee have their own problems too which should not be trivialized. Cyclone requires you to commit to a attack path which cannot be stopped halfway. Imagine how fun or usable this skill was with the pre-nerf mages around...

Is it so necessary to step on melee to make your points? Especially when it's debatable whether ranged actually does have it harder now than pre-nerf melee...



Okay pal guess what you do not have chain attached to GMP which bounces from multiple targets and I'll make a picture for you... big pack of mobs and Multiple thorns which I did not see... and my LA bouncing alllllllll over the place.... GGG I'd say and 1 shot. So how is this good?
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TweaKz251 wrote:
Okay pal guess what you do not have chain attached to GMP which bounces from multiple targets and I'll make a picture for you... big pack of mobs and Multiple thorns which I did not see... and my LA bouncing alllllllll over the place.... GGG I'd say and 1 shot. So how is this good?


I'm melee. Of course I don't have GMP/chain.

LT is not good. I'm just saying, if you don't understand what pains melee went through prior to the nerf, don't be putting them down. Especially when you're going through the same thing now.
Toupy - Lv93 Facebreaker Cyclone Duelist
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I'm melee. Of course I don't have GMP/chain.

LT is not good. I'm just saying, if you don't understand what pains melee went through prior to the nerf, don't be putting them down. Especially when you're going through the same thing now.


Who said anything about Melee or ranged? Not I, I'm not comparing or putting down melee. Just stating prior to the patch we could take them down easily now no bueno. But why make something that can 1 shot anyone?

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