Lightning Thorns

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mrmisterwaa wrote:

No build should be a cookie cutter.

I am glad Ranged got nerfed (Physical/Elemental) in where they take damage from Lightning Thorns.

Most of the LA builds now can somewhat understand how melee get instantly one shot when LT appears out of no where.

Whoever suggested it above was right. Use Poison Arrow.

In Diablo 2, you could not complete certain acts efficiently without the use of your Mercenary and another spell. If you were a Blizz Sorc you need to grab a point in Lightning or Fireball to kill resist mobs.

The same thing should apply to PoE, I have several different skills on my bar for instances in where I need to use different skills from different curses to different auras and different skills.

I do not just use Cleave on my Dual Wielding Shadow, I use Leap Slam, Dual Strike and totems too.

Not sure if you are refering to my post or just this thread in general. Either way, my build is not cookie cutter. In fact, you will not find it anywhere on the forums b/c it is my own build that I have developed, tweaked, and geared for over the last month. It will NEVER be cookie cutter. And what you describe as having several different skills for different situations, I too have that, in the form of swapping out gems/curses. I keep another attack on right click specifically for certain situations/mobs. I don't just have 1 attack 1 curse on my bar. There is a very huge difference between versatility and getting killed instantly from 1 mechanic.

I think lightning thorns should absolutely be dangerous. But I think you should be able to counter it via changing skills/gems/curses, or at least react to it when you didn't even notice the skill was cast. Even d2 realized mechanics like this are no fun. Iron maiden anyone? Remember how bad that sucked? And they took it out of the game b/c of this. Broken is broken. Please don't mistake it for bad players.

Here's an idea - give it some sort of highly-visible startup on the character being affected by it. This prevents instagibbing from onscreen, at least. That would be something.

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

give it some sort of highly-visible startup

Or make it based on % dmg dealt. at the moment it highly favors low attack/cast speed high DPS single target ability builds - why you would even want to play one with those properties :D

Or put a cap on how much dps it can do. Such as "player cannot suffer more than 30% of maximum health per second." That gives you 3 full seconds to realize, OH SHIT thats lightning thorns.

Also, I am not sure of the circumstances of lightning thorns on the boss in the promenade map. That boss literally killed with with thorns in less than a second, yet just 2 mins ago I faced an elite pack of blackgaurd mages in vaal pyramid map and was able to see my hp quickly dipping down BUT had enough time to react and adjust accordingly. This is MUCH MUCH funner for me as I had time to see what was happening and make changes to survive.

Perhaps it is just that boss that is severely broken... idk

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Dragon585 wrote:

Perhaps it is just that boss that is severely broken... idk

You are broken. This boss always casts lightning thorns, so why aren't you kiting mobs away from her?

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Dragon585 wrote:

Also, I am not sure of the circumstances of lightning thorns on the boss in the promenade map. That boss literally killed with with thorns in less than a second, yet just 2 mins ago I faced an elite pack of blackgaurd mages in vaal pyramid map and was able to see my hp quickly dipping down BUT had enough time to react and adjust accordingly. This is MUCH MUCH funner for me as I had time to see what was happening and make changes to survive.

Perhaps it is just that boss that is severely broken... idk

Lightning thorns doesn't depend on your damage, it does some amount of lightning damage on your hit similar to tempest shield, so that boss uses stronger lightning thorns just like other bosses and rares do more damage with arc and fireballs then ordinary enemies.

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SKIPPNUTTZ wrote:

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Dragon585 wrote:

Perhaps it is just that boss that is severely broken... idk

You are broken. This boss always casts lightning thorns, so why aren't you kiting mobs away from her?

Mobs were dead, she was only one left. Cast thorns on herself MID multistrike. Im not stupid. Please stop assuming such.

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raics wrote:

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Dragon585 wrote:

Also, I am not sure of the circumstances of lightning thorns on the boss in the promenade map. That boss literally killed with with thorns in less than a second, yet just 2 mins ago I faced an elite pack of blackgaurd mages in vaal pyramid map and was able to see my hp quickly dipping down BUT had enough time to react and adjust accordingly. This is MUCH MUCH funner for me as I had time to see what was happening and make changes to survive.

Perhaps it is just that boss that is severely broken... idk

Lightning thorns doesn't depend on your damage, it does some amount of lightning damage on your hit similar to tempest shield, so that boss uses stronger lightning thorns just like other bosses and rares do more damage with arc and fireballs then ordinary enemies.

I see, thanks for that. I did this boss again 2 more times today, with some advice from a melee friend of mine to remove multistrike while fighting her. It seems this is key to preventing instant death, as I was able to stop attacking immediately after seeing thorns w/o being stuck in the animation.

Oh look, since they changed lightning thorns to affect everyone not only melee this thread grew by 12 pages.. i wonder why...