Garena is adding skill tree resets as a micro transaction in 1.1.3. Thoughts?

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Xikorut wrote:

If the community becomes so small as to force GGG into making such MTX, I'm pretty sure it'd be about time for those against such things to either jump ship or start buying more supporter packs.

Or you know... increase the drop rate of Regret Orbs, if that situation ever presented itself.

The answer to players quitting isn't to introduce P2W MTX in hopes of attracting those players back into the game.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Firstly: yes, actually. He and I talked about all sorts of things when we first met during Closed Beta, and one of those things was the possibility of licensing/selling the game to a bigger studio. Of course, that was a ways off, but even then I was hoping some rich folk would take an interest in PoE. It was always going to come down to picking someone who displayed 'less' evil tendencies than the others.

That's interesting to hear, and I don't blame GGG for licensing the game out to someone else. That's not the point. The issue here is most people are upset about the lack of a clause in the contract that would prevent Garena from implementing such things.

You can't possibly tell me that Chris conveniently forgot about the possibility that Garena might implement P2W MTX.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

You seem utterly unable to get past the fact that paid respecs for Garena's PoE will probably be met with overwhelming gratitude there, which means it's a *good* thing for them.

Or how about.. increase the drop rate of Regret Orbs, implement more vendor recipes for Regret Orbs, or introduce another in-game currency for a full-character respec. You know... something that doesn't involve real $$$. Had there been more options for respecs, maybe players wouldn't have quit in the first place.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

*as GGG develop and maintain it*.

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JahIthBer89 wrote:

This really begs the question of whether or not it was wise to outsource another company to reach out to the Asian market to begin with.

I feel like PoE is right on that fuzzy, furry edge of being big, but not quite big enough to justify something like this.

The answer to your question is that it wasn't wise.

Looking through this thread it is clear the majority of the posters have never visited or lived in Asia so I don't understand why they think they need to weigh in on the issue beyond just saying all pay to win is bad.

I doubt most people know that Singaporeans speak English as a first language and that Garena is a Singaporean company (their headquarters are within walking distance from my condo).

Garena did not localize shit. They took an English speaking game and gave it to an English speaking market. It did nothing but reduce revenue for GGG and split the SEA PoE community in half. Garena is a cancer for this game and has been from the beginning. GGG partnering with this company has been their biggest misstep to date.

If they wanted to expand into the Asian market they should have found a Chinese or Taiwanese company to localize the game into Chinese. That would have brought in new people and vastly expanded the market. Instead they found a company that is leading new players away from the real game and real servers and those new players being ignorant of their choice eventually lose interest because of the much smaller community size.

All the people talking about posting threads to help players on the Garena forums are very misguided. They and the PoE community in general would be much better served if we spent our time on the Garena forums inviting them to come join us in the real game. If you have time to help these new English speaking players why not help them out within the game?

The more SEA players that play on the real PoE servers the sooner Garena PoE will die, and the sooner Garena PoE dies the better PoE's future in SEA.

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None of those are as instantly 'fixing' as a simple paid respec.

How are the two not the same when it comes to simplicity? We've already established that selling respecs for $$$ is essentially selling the time spent to farm for Regret Orbs. So if you introduce a vendor recipe that would save the players time, then that would actually help everyone -- not just those who have $$$ to throw at Garena.

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they're trying to cash in on something players seem to need/want; and they're giving players incentive to keep playing, knowing if they screw up (which they will, as we all know), they can just pay a few bucks and correct their course.

Okay... so you've basically just described the exact business model of every P2W MTX game that has ever existed = 1) players are quitting due to bad loot, 2) players "seem" to want loot quickly, thus it is okay to implement real-money-purchasable loot.

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If the playerbase is cool with that, no harm no foul.

So if a lot of players become upset about taking too long to find enough Fusing Orbs, then it's okay to start selling them Fusing Orbs for $$$?

I can't believe you're even making the argument you're making.

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Your solutions are not solutions because they all involve 'actually playing the game'. We must assume that Garena is trying to entice people who've stopped playing back to it.

What in the fuck? You're joking right? My solutions aren't solutions because they would actually require people to play the game? So, instead of Garena/GGG adjusting drop rates to more acceptable levels, your solution is to sell the currency (time) for $$$? Do you even listen to yourself?

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

None of those are as instantly 'fixing' as a simple paid respec. I imagine Garena are on the ropes playerbase wise, so they're trying to kill two birds with one stone here: they're trying to cash in on something players seem to need/want; and they're giving players incentive to keep playing, knowing if they screw up (which they will, as we all know), they can just pay a few bucks and correct their course.

First post in this thread, will say this and leave it.

1. Garena is not GGG, and unless GGG takes %profit from Garena there is nothing wrong with GGG allowing it ONLY to Garena.

2. But see the highlighted part in quote. This something players seem to need/want is created by game design. I definitely do not believe that GGG runs RMT sites, but PoE's game design is damn so close to P2W mmos: nothing is rewarding, things take far too much time and still has a big chance fail; so that players are driven to Item Shop for quenching their thirst.

It is not wonder they are using core PoE for a P2W game model in Garena.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Doesn't affect us at all. They could sell items for cash and it wouldn't affect us at all. You could buy levels for your characters and it wouldn't affect us at all.

Quit worrying about what other people are doing.

Actually thats totally wrong.

By paying money for orbs (in this case regrets) the economy will be greatly affected. A simple example : in invasion regrets 1:1 chaos, people who will pay money and get great quantities of regrets will start selling them at 2:1c or even 3:1c and so forth, how can any legitimate player compete with such a change? (speaking as a seller of regrets not a buyer)

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wild_captain wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Doesn't affect us at all. They could sell items for cash and it wouldn't affect us at all. You could buy levels for your characters and it wouldn't affect us at all.

Quit worrying about what other people are doing.

Actually thats totally wrong.

By paying money for orbs (in this case regrets) the economy will be greatly affected. A simple example : in invasion regrets 1:1 chaos, people who will pay money and get great quantities of regrets will start selling them at 2:1c or even 3:1c and so forth, how can any legitimate player compete with such a change? (speaking as a seller of regrets not a buyer)

I think you misunderstand. One, they arent selling the actual orbs, just mtx like the fireworks...you click, you get a respec pt.

Two, Garena PoE is 100% isolated from us. What your quoted posted is saying is that no matter what Garena does, it wont affect us in terms of our leagues' economies etc...

Edit: Ah, the difference of phone typing speed vs keyboard typing speed...this post is redundant and can be deleted. :)