GZ FranzKafka, First level 100 on nemesis league!

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Nephalim wrote:

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oldirtybomber wrote:

Watching all the gear & gem swaps that accomplish this i feel as if i'm rubbing 2 twigs together with a 30kdps melee build

two very small and wet twigs meanwhile these guys walk around with atomic bombs.

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Invalesco wrote:

You can clearly see the discrepancy in terms of exp gain. On one hand we had etup who was apparently diligently leveling using a legit build with some of the most op gear in the server (so diligently that he was tired enough to fall asleep!), and was only able to manage half the exp rate of the top party, such was their map clear speed and their ability to trivialise the supposedly difficult end-game content because of this exploit.

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jaceofmen wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

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oldirtybomber wrote:

Watching all the gear & gem swaps that accomplish this i feel as if i'm rubbing 2 twigs together with a 30kdps melee build

two very small and wet twigs meanwhile these guys walk around with atomic bombs.

This is what exactly came to mind... No build will ever achieve that sort of damage.. The sort of damage that makes 78 maps a cakewalk...

I mean the dude walked up to the boss and it just evaporated.

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ZiggySobotka wrote:

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Invalesco wrote:

You can clearly see the discrepancy in terms of exp gain. On one hand we had etup who was apparently diligently leveling using a legit build with some of the most op gear in the server (so diligently that he was tired enough to fall asleep!), and was only able to manage half the exp rate of the top party, such was their map clear speed and their ability to trivialise the supposedly difficult end-game content because of this exploit.

Henceforth this will be known as the Etup test. If you're levelling more efficiently than Etup, there's a rebuttable presumption that you're using an illegitimate exploit.

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Granted, it was clever thinking by havoc to have thought of this bug. However, he clearly knew it was an exploit and that he was taking advantage of something that should not be happening, yet he kept mum about it and didn't post anything under bug reports. It was only after someone else found out about it and posted it on reddit that he finally started streaming again. He obviously knew that it was something that was dodgy enough and not meant to be streamed in the initial period.

I don't even play for a ladder placing, so this doesn't concern me personally. The only reason I'm even bothered about this whole issue is that if you take a look at the exp gain rates of the top party and compare that to the previous number one - etup:

http://poestatistics.com/users/havoc6/hva.html
http://poestatistics.com/users/franzkafka/rilkeisrilke.html
http://poestatistics.com/users/etup/birdtup.html

You can clearly see the discrepancy in terms of exp gain. On one hand we had etup who was apparently diligently leveling using a legit build with some of the most op gear in the server (so diligently that he was tired enough to fall asleep!), and was only able to manage half the exp rate of the top party, such was their map clear speed and their ability to trivialise the supposedly difficult end-game content because of this exploit.

I wouldn't go so far as to demand banning them or rolling back their characters. I am disappointed that GGG didn't fix it earlier, but I don't know how difficult it is to fix - it may be that it is a complicated bug and is time-consuming to fix. My only motive for stirring up this drama (which would likely have happened anyway without my help), which I don't do very often (as Charan has observed) is to undermine whatever feelings of achievement or triumph these players in question might be feeling after having achieved level 100, and hopefully give some food for thought to the next person thinking of exploiting a bug secretly to the top of the ladder.

It may work, it may not work - they may have the skin of a hippopotamus, but the community on the whole at least doesn't seem to be very impressed with this 'tainted' achievement, and that's good at least.

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Nephalim wrote:

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ZiggySobotka wrote:

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Invalesco wrote:

You can clearly see the discrepancy in terms of exp gain. On one hand we had etup who was apparently diligently leveling using a legit build with some of the most op gear in the server (so diligently that he was tired enough to fall asleep!), and was only able to manage half the exp rate of the top party, such was their map clear speed and their ability to trivialise the supposedly difficult end-game content because of this exploit.

Henceforth this will be known as the Etup test. If you're levelling more efficiently than Etup, there's a rebuttable presumption that you're using an illegitimate exploit.

whats interesting is that etup's exp time is much lower than the other 2. however, if it were something like 12-16 hours a day and hes doing high maps non stop- it would be hard to noticeably beat that rate.

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Invalesco wrote:

Granted, it was clever thinking by havoc to have thought of this bug. However, he clearly knew it was an exploit and that he was taking advantage of something that should not be happening, yet he kept mum about it and didn't post anything under bug reports. It was only after someone else found out about it and posted it on reddit that he finally started streaming again. He obviously knew that it was something that was dodgy enough and not meant to be streamed in the initial period.

I don't even play for a ladder placing, so this doesn't concern me personally. The only reason I'm even bothered about this whole issue is that if you take a look at the exp gain rates of the top party and compare that to the previous number one - etup:

http://poestatistics.com/users/havoc6/hva.html
http://poestatistics.com/users/franzkafka/rilkeisrilke.html
http://poestatistics.com/users/etup/birdtup.html

You can clearly see the discrepancy in terms of exp gain. On one hand we had etup who was apparently diligently leveling using a legit build with some of the most op gear in the server (so diligently that he was tired enough to fall asleep!), and was only able to manage half the exp rate of the top party, such was their map clear speed and their ability to trivialise the supposedly difficult end-game content because of this exploit.

I wouldn't go so far as to demand banning them or rolling back their characters. I am disappointed that GGG didn't fix it earlier, but I don't know how difficult it is to fix - it may be that it is a complicated bug and is time-consuming to fix. My only motive for stirring up this drama (which would likely have happened anyway without my help), which I don't do very often (as Charan has observed) is to undermine whatever feelings of achievement or triumph these players in question might be feeling after having achieved level 100, and hopefully give some food for thought to the next person thinking of exploiting a bug secretly to the top of the ladder.

It may work, it may not work - they may have the skin of a hippopotamus, but the community on the whole at least doesn't seem to be very impressed with this 'tainted' achievement, and that's good at least.

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QueenTakesKnight wrote:

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It's a shame Etup died, he deserved first level 100 nemesis in my eyes.