BM and Auras - one of GGG's better jokes

I must admit that I never saw someone run % based auras on BM, usually people would run grace/anger/wrath.
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45% from the passive tree
another 30% from blood magic.
and another 29% from the remaining cost via gem.

So you can use both purity and hatred for only 18% of your life; total. For both.
A scion may be born of the rich, and as such hold more opportunity...
but a scion will never be able to appreciate the finer beauty of those less fortunate.
Last edited by Epicly_Curious#6220 on Oct 27, 2013, 7:11:39 PM
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Epicly_Curious wrote:
45% from the passive tree
another 30% from blood magic.
and another 29% from the remaining cost via gem.

So you can use both purity and hatred for only 18% of your life; total. For both.


This math... this math makes my head hurt.

Btw, it's 46% total RMR from passives all over the tree - and I highly doubt you could make an effective build doing so.

But let's do the math shall we?

60% + 40% = 100% total life reserve.

100 * (1 - .46) * (1 - .3) * (1 - .29) = 26.84%

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Last edited by Islidox#7754 on Oct 27, 2013, 7:25:53 PM
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Islidox wrote:
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Epicly_Curious wrote:
45% from the passive tree
another 30% from blood magic.
and another 29% from the remaining cost via gem.

So you can use both purity and hatred for only 18% of your life; total. For both.


This math... this math makes my head hurt.

Btw, it's 46% total RMR from passives all over the tree - and I highly doubt you could make an effective build doing so.

But let's do the math shall we?

60% + 40% = 100% total life reserve.

100 * (1 - .46) * (1 - .3) * (1 - .29) = 26.84%


Blood magic is the same modifier as other reductions.
So it's not 0.54*0.7*0.71
It's 0.24*0.71

Here is the scion I'm working on currently.
Dominating

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAAAecDlgx9DjwQfxRxFy8ZhRmKGmwajx2qJKoksCW8Jwso-jboNuk7KEGqQqNGK0ZxSshOm1XWWK9akWBDZOdodG49bqpvnnYIdud4DYCkgseC5IMJhtGIQIqvkBGUoJu1na6ezZ_LpqynCKcwqH2pbrXyuJO-u768wzrGnspK0_vYTdpi37_hiONq6-7vhvba97756PrS-wk=


71% mana reservation reduction. So 20.59% of my life for both purity and hatred if I also use a reduction gem.

One of our maths is bad here, and it's not mine.
A scion may be born of the rich, and as such hold more opportunity...
but a scion will never be able to appreciate the finer beauty of those less fortunate.
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Epicly_Curious wrote:
Blood magic is the same modifier as other reductions.
So it's not 0.54*0.7*0.71
It's 0.24*0.71

Here is the scion I'm working on currently.
Dominating

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAAAecDlgx9DjwQfxRxFy8ZhRmKGmwajx2qJKoksCW8Jwso-jboNuk7KEGqQqNGK0ZxSshOm1XWWK9akWBDZOdodG49bqpvnnYIdud4DYCkgseC5IMJhtGIQIqvkBGUoJu1na6ezZ_LpqynCKcwqH2pbrXyuJO-u768wzrGnspK0_vYTdpi37_hiONq6-7vhvba97756PrS-wk=


71% mana reservation reduction. So 20.59% of my life for both purity and hatred if I also use a reduction gem.

One of our maths is bad here, and it's not mine.


No, it's not. The Mortal Conviction notable says "less", not "reduced". Read up on the mechanics.

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Malice wrote:
Modifier Stacking
In general, integer modifiers are applied before percentages. Percentage modifiers using the words "% increased" or "% reduced" stack additively with one another, while "% more" and "% less" modifiers stack multiplicatively.
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Ah, fair enough~

Well then, 29.3% of your HP is a bit worse, but it's still not very bad for such an extreme damage bonus and resistance bonus. Do forgive me for not having everything down to an exact science yet, I'm new and their wording isn't as self explanatory as they would like to believe.
A scion may be born of the rich, and as such hold more opportunity...
but a scion will never be able to appreciate the finer beauty of those less fortunate.
Last edited by Epicly_Curious#6220 on Oct 27, 2013, 8:13:45 PM
Yea, PoE has a lot of hidden mechanics, but their wording is specific for a reason. (esp when dealing with additive and multiplicative modifiers)

See, a tree like that can't be effective for offensive builds. It looks like you're trying to do a summoner/trapper(?) with your Scion, but what about melee/ranged builds? The investment needed to reduce those auras below 25% is unfeasible. Using aura-related uniques shouldn't be the solution either considering that 1 aura reserves that much life.
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Last edited by Islidox#7754 on Oct 27, 2013, 8:22:25 PM
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Islidox wrote:
Yea, PoE has a lot of hidden mechanics, but their wording is specific for a reason. (esp when dealing with additive and multiplicative modifiers)

See, a tree like that can't be effective for offensive builds. It looks like you're trying to do a summoner/trapper(?) with your Scion, but what about melee/ranged builds? The investment needed to reduce those auras below 25% is unfeasible. Using aura-related uniques shouldn't be the solution either considering that 1 aura reserves that much life.

That is a dominating blow build. I only take minion damage because the wiki says it's bugged with Dom Blow and increases my damage (+ it makes my dominated minions stronger)

Beartrap has significant damage increases because the hatred aura effects it. So I throw down beartraps at elite mobs to kill them quickly. It's a melee build, promise.
A scion may be born of the rich, and as such hold more opportunity...
but a scion will never be able to appreciate the finer beauty of those less fortunate.
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Epicly_Curious wrote:
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Islidox wrote:
Yea, PoE has a lot of hidden mechanics, but their wording is specific for a reason. (esp when dealing with additive and multiplicative modifiers)

See, a tree like that can't be effective for offensive builds. It looks like you're trying to do a summoner/trapper(?) with your Scion, but what about melee/ranged builds? The investment needed to reduce those auras below 25% is unfeasible. Using aura-related uniques shouldn't be the solution either considering that 1 aura reserves that much life.

That is a dominating blow build. I only take minion damage because the wiki says it's bugged with Dom Blow and increases my damage (+ it makes my dominated minions stronger)

Beartrap has significant damage increases because the hatred aura effects it. So I throw down beartraps at elite mobs to kill them quickly. It's a melee build, promise.


Hey! I really like your enthusiasm for the game as a newbie! It's very cool, so please don't take this poorly. If you try to go dominating blow with what you just posted you won't make it out of merc act 1. I would love for you to prove me wrong, though.
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reboticon wrote:
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Epicly_Curious wrote:
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Islidox wrote:
Yea, PoE has a lot of hidden mechanics, but their wording is specific for a reason. (esp when dealing with additive and multiplicative modifiers)

See, a tree like that can't be effective for offensive builds. It looks like you're trying to do a summoner/trapper(?) with your Scion, but what about melee/ranged builds? The investment needed to reduce those auras below 25% is unfeasible. Using aura-related uniques shouldn't be the solution either considering that 1 aura reserves that much life.

That is a dominating blow build. I only take minion damage because the wiki says it's bugged with Dom Blow and increases my damage (+ it makes my dominated minions stronger)

Beartrap has significant damage increases because the hatred aura effects it. So I throw down beartraps at elite mobs to kill them quickly. It's a melee build, promise.


Hey! I really like your enthusiasm for the game as a newbie! It's very cool, so please don't take this poorly. If you try to go dominating blow with what you just posted you won't make it out of merc act 1. I would love for you to prove me wrong, though.

I presume I need more life. Once I get those bare necessities down I'm gonna pick up tons of life nodes and life regen with my remaining points. That build is only to level 56, because I don't know what to expect of merciless and know I'll need to adjust my build based on whatever doesn't work past then.

But my point was that we can get aura costs down quite significantly and run one or two aura's off of it with plenty of HP remaining. With how much aura's have apparently been buffed I think that could significantly outplay the value of 30% HP. I doubt it's as potent as auras used to be, but I don't believe they intended for aura's to ever be that potent again; and blood magic can still run more of them than a mana build.
A scion may be born of the rich, and as such hold more opportunity...
but a scion will never be able to appreciate the finer beauty of those less fortunate.

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