{3.2.0} Spectral Gods: [Life Based Spectre/Golem Hybrid Summoner | Clear Speed | End Game Bossing]

A few questions, (I'm sorry again! I know its probably annoying of me)

I'm about to purchase the united in dream and severed in sleep - Should I be using just one of them and the vicarios shield as well? or would both be more beneficial?

I heard I shouldn't be using the flame sentinels while using united in dream as they don't poison w/out the atziri flask and even then its only 15%, should I be using different spectres instead that have decent clear speed?

Would I be better off switching spectres to a physical type for the poison?

I mainly want to keep up the clear speed but also be able to do uber/shaper pretty reliably or is it best to just switch gems/spectres when doing those bosses?
Last edited by myBLUEjeansIStight#1999 on Dec 19, 2016, 10:26:15 PM
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mattc3303 wrote:
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Right now I can do T15 comfortably, but T16 and up? I'm not sure. Any ideas?


As far as trash goes it is the same as t15 but the bosses has a lot more hp then t15 bosses. You want to switch for a more single target focused spectre like cannibals/slashed miscreations. Althou the bosses are definitely doable with flame sentinels and goats too. At this point you can't just simply face roll over the bosses you'll need to do a bit of kiting. Maybe switch over to arc instead of ball lightning so your minions remain on target.

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I got the immortalis now and finally my 6link, I'm not sure what else I should change other than try and get united in dream/servered in sleep weapons.

I'm having a pretty rough time w/ t13+ and I'm really not sure what I should focus on doing now.


T13+ should still be a breeze till you get to T16 bosses. Are you summoning a higher level spectre(T10 flame sentinels vastly out damages the ones from eternal lab). Other than that focus on getting more es on every piece of gear. I found 8k to be pretty comfortable if not grab a es shield.

If you want more clear speed you'll want shield charge/whirling blades. Keep shield charging/blades and convocating on packs. I mean you won't be vaal spark fast but it is as fast as a summoner can go. Other then that use the immortalis belt + flask to burst down anything that is tanky. Flame sentinels are still really good for clear speed.

Are you activating vaal haste at all times it is up? That should boost clear speeds by a lot. Also use vaal discipline whenever you are in trouble.





Thanks! Solid advice. I'll look into the single target spects.

Also yes, Vaal haste and Vaal disc helped a lot with bossing (with the exception of T13 Abyss boss, screw that direct drain!!
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These jewels are s expensive to me. Is there a guide for classic summoner with specs and zombies?
*edit* my bad, tired when doing basic math lol zombies will still be L26 in voideye. but rest of it is still valid :P

i'm considering just putting raise zombie into a voideye. I know you lose quite a few stats on the ring, but you also free up 3 gem slots and you dont lose a significant amount of tankiness since they're still L26

Main reason is once spectres are up and running properly, zombies really drop off in terms of damage and are just there to tank. They'll still deal pretty good damage with the bonus poison since they gain large amounts of atk/hp for each additional level. plus the mana cost will be about the same as in vertex due to lack of support gems.

I havent figured out what i'd actually use in the sockets, but i like the idea of the flexibility. not sure if flame golem in vertex with the tradition zombie setup (RZ, empower, min dmg, xxx dmg mod) would be better than the psuedo 5 link with spectre in armor? Flame golem stats seem to scale up with level pretty heavily like zombies.
Last edited by Asmosis#7365 on Dec 20, 2016, 8:02:06 PM
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myBLUEjeansIStight wrote:
A few questions, (I'm sorry again! I know its probably annoying of me)

I'm about to purchase the united in dream and severed in sleep - Should I be using just one of them and the vicarios shield as well? or would both be more beneficial?

I heard I shouldn't be using the flame sentinels while using united in dream as they don't poison w/out the atziri flask and even then its only 15%, should I be using different spectres instead that have decent clear speed?

Would I be better off switching spectres to a physical type for the poison?

I mainly want to keep up the clear speed but also be able to do uber/shaper pretty reliably or is it best to just switch gems/spectres when doing those bosses?


Np. If you want to take full advantage of the poison you'll want to go physical spectre. If not that is basically just a free link for your zombie, spectre, and golem. If you choose not to use Umbiculus then yeah the sword isn't worth it if you want to continue to use flame sentinels. With the witch flasks nodes its 20% extra per spectre which is actually quite a bit of chaos damage given how fast they shoot with everything up.

Given how poison is interacting with BV(I think its the same for monster BV) Slashed Miscreation with Umbiculus and the optimal flasks should have the highest damage for single target.

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ethanju wrote:
These jewels are s expensive to me. Is there a guide for classic summoner with specs and zombies?

You can just copy what I did last league. Run 4 spectre and use minion damage/es jewels instead. Or you can do the budget version of just 1-2 clay shapers with no jewels.

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Asmosis wrote:

i'm considering just putting raise zombie into a voideye. I know you lose quite a few stats on the ring, but you also free up 3 gem slots and L27 zombies are about as tanky as L26 zombies in Vertex, without having to get a L4 empower gem.

Main reason is once spectres are up and running properly, zombies really drop off in terms of damage and are just there to tank. They'll still deal pretty good damage with the bonus poison since they gain large amounts of atk/hp for each additional level. plus the mana cost will be about the same as in vertex due to lack of support gems.

I havent figured out what i'd actually use in the sockets, but i like the idea of the flexibility. not sure if flame golem in vertex with the tradition zombie setup (RZ, empower, min dmg, xxx dmg mod) would be better than the psuedo 5 link with spectre in armor? Flame golem stats seem to scale up with level pretty heavily like zombies.


Thats an interesting idea. Maybe you can fit in SRS + AddedChaos + SpellEcho + MinionDamage in there and dropping animated guardian and putting zombies in the voideye.
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Last edited by mattc3303#7526 on Dec 20, 2016, 9:38:25 AM


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For those that are running the chaos golem/slashed miscreation setup. I been rethinking the links I think this would be the most optimal amount of damage

SM + Chaos Golem + Void Manipulation + MinionDmg + iAOE/Conc + AddedChaos

Using the sleep sword.

As far as I can tell Slashed Miscreation does not seem to share the same 30% damage effectiveness like the player version does. If that is the case addedchaos is a lot of extra damage.

If your not running golems and only spectre.

SM + increasedDuration + Void Manipulation + MinionDmg + iAOE/Conc + AddedChaos

instead of curse on hit setup it will be:

Wither + CwC + vulnerability + tempchains(drop EE for another es node)
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Last edited by mattc3303#7526 on Dec 20, 2016, 10:01:13 AM
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mattc3303 wrote:
For those that are running the chaos golem/slashed miscreation setup. I been rethinking the links I think this would be the most optimal amount of damage

SM + Chaos Golem + Void Manipulation + MinionDmg + iAOE/Conc + AddedChaos

Using the sleep sword.

As far as I can tell Slashed Miscreation does not seem to share the same 30% damage effectiveness like the player version does. If that is the case addedchaos is a lot of extra damage.

If your not running golems and only spectre.

SM + increasedDuration + Void Manipulation + MinionDmg + iAOE/Conc + AddedChaos

instead of curse on hit setup it will be:

Wither + CwC + vulnerability + tempchains(drop EE for another es node)


I did some dps testing and controlled destruction is superior to added chaos.
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the best spectre for safe and nice dps
As a 3~4 specter + 3~4 golemancer, Evangelists(or BV spectres) + Chaos golems would be better than flame sentinels(or Goats) + flame golems for frame drop?

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