Witch - {3.2.0} Spectral Gods: [Life Based Spectre/Golem Hybrid Summoner | Clear Speed | End Game Bossing] - Forum

" mattc3303 wrote: I think this might be the plan for the build after the next update: 110pt Build was thinking of using lightning coil instead of using the cloak. Then going down for the MoM passive. This will probably result in a even more tanky character then the previous cloak build. The coil has life and eva on it which will buff the effects of IR. Also green/red armor should be hell of a lot easier to chrome for zombies. Head - alpha howls(depends on my aura reservation situation)/other defensive helm -> reducedmana + aura1 + a2 + a3 weapon - +2cold/+1gem -> Empower + ArcticA + Convocation shield -> IncreasedDur + vaal haste + flesh offering body - lightning coil(more tank)/+1tabula rasa(more damage) -> RZ + empower + FA + Meleephysical + remote mine + Mstrike glove -> reducedm + A4 + a5 + arc boot - Maybe ullr or defensive boot-> raise spectre + support1 + s2 + s3 We can just perfectly fit everything we need for the build, but all slots need to be used. Of course this is just speculation for now. I have no idea how GGG plans to change the passive tree and minion gems for the future update. Not really seeing a huge benefit of grasp 4x zombies vs 8x regular zombies. Grasp will also make arctic armor weaker for not having a +1/+2 wep. Sidhe breath, skull head, chober, pretty much all of the old snapshot stuff will be terrible now since the defensive stats on them is really poor. * overall slower clear speed but hard boss fights will become much easier as you have everything on you to keep re-summoning zombies. Not using Desecrate? Or will it be on weapon swap? (This would shut off AA, though.) Last edited by Hercanic#3982 on Jun 20, 2014, 2:53:12 AM	Posted by Hercanic#3982 on Jun 20, 2014, 2:52:41 AM Quote this Post
"really liked my 1 bm 2 titties 1 eva setting" Will be literally impossible come snapshot fix. Unless you want a gimped 4L minion gem only spectres... IGNs GroovyBeard JooJooFromTheWell Last edited by Allnamestaken#7661 on Jun 20, 2014, 9:10:18 AM	Posted by Allnamestaken#7661 on Jun 20, 2014, 9:09:52 AM Quote this Post
It was already impossible starting 1.1 BM were barely able to clean Sarn; ) I think, seeing the comings goodies and the theocraft would be the right way..today is 3 S im gonna enjoy summer and hope they have nice goodies for the return You ARE my Bitch of burden! "Stay Alive exile! Or you'll be the next zombie someone raises off the beach." - Altnaharra " Be Excellent To Each Other" -MikeP_GGG "If you die to yourself are you still the victor? " - BEX_GGG	Posted by WIKARINA#1936 on Jun 20, 2014, 9:30:53 AM Quote this Post
We will be theoricrafting a nerf on our ability to use the skills provided to us (AS A BUFF) in summoner patch. Which means it was useless, we are back to where we were, we either sacrifice auras or skills from summoner patch, period. I personally want to keep my 6 auras, and my goodies from summoner patch, but in order to do that I will be forced into a certain playstyle, aka without specters. Not alphatesters, nor developers EVER (EDIT:double negative, lol) actually played summoners, that is fact now. Just look at snapshot video, with its disinformation... P.S. BMs aren't the problem here, it will be impossible to have both tentacle miscreations and evangelists after the snapshot fix, as it will be impossible to have both tentacles and fireball casting thngies (forgot their name, lol) etc... And to think that I just saw a thread on 6 spectre theoricraft, poor guys didn't yet realize the extent of the nerf (I don't see how and if devs will fix that issue). IGNs GroovyBeard JooJooFromTheWell Last edited by Allnamestaken#7661 on Jun 20, 2014, 2:51:27 PM	Posted by Allnamestaken#7661 on Jun 20, 2014, 10:19:52 AM Quote this Post
" lk_77lk wrote: " kompaniet wrote: My lvl 90 summoner. Spoiler Stopped snapshotting a couple of months ago. Just a normal 6 link for zombies and a 4 link for spectres. ~7000 es. ~300 es/sec regen 75 resists 400 something iir 100 something iiq. I use 4 auras. Discipline+Vitality+Purity+Hatred or Haste depending on what spectres i use or what aura is missing in the party. Just mapping all kinds of maps. Mostly 75, 76, 77, 78 until i run out of them. Lesser than that don't yield much exp for me. Playin mostly solo. Sometimes in a party as culler. " Malone wrote: bullshits Without any snapshot, minions have more than 8k hp, overcapped resist, life regen, life leech ... what do you need more ? Minion can die ? yes and ? are they supposed to be immortal ? no. Snapshotting for summoner was completely overkill for most of the game content, and completely counterproductiv for the hardest one ( atziry and hard hitter AOE bosses ). This is my experience of lvl 91 summoner.. ( anyway levelling more was pointless , I had all the passives point I needed to faceroll everything ) There is absolutely no need no boost anything even if snapshot is fixed, that would be just crazy. I agree with you. That's why i took the magic find approach instead of dps. I found my minions were doing quite enough damage and survived just fine so i equipped myself with mf items and gems instead. I hope we don't get any summoner specific nerfs though. I'm kind of happy with how minions are now. They are really strong even with mf gems and items. Seriously. .don't want to seem offensive but I wont buy 4L zombies being able to handle even 74 maps. Dont want to call you a troll but even snapshoting 6L one with trap and remote mine they take their time to kill monster have 400 armor and 2% life regen and are not able to oneshot white monsters... let aside a 76 or 78 maps.. Nice try ;) Or maybe if you take like 3 minutes white monsters..it will be doable.. Im gonna take a break and see what come with the expansion...I really lost many love when I lost my BM and was forced to eva (really liked my 1 bm 2 titties 1 eva setting) Hope they find a solution before release.. or my break should go longer. .. as of now and the collected informations..no more zombies varieties Are you directing that to me? Hard to know who you are writing to. I use 6l zombies not 4l. Don't know where you get that from but 4l would work too. Rz+multi+fa+splash. You get all the essentials in a cheap 4l preferrably in a +2 helm then. It will just be a lil slower than a 5-6l but will work just as well. I agree with you also regarding bm. Don't like all the nerfing that is going on. It's not good that we lose build choices. After this nerf we won't be able to use different spectres. Last edited by kompaniet#2874 on Jun 20, 2014, 6:10:13 PM	Posted by kompaniet#2874 on Jun 20, 2014, 6:05:22 PM Quote this Post
I love how this nerfs apologists justification is - it will be just a little slower. That goes against the very principle of arpgs - the whole point is to make your character kill stuff as fast as possible, and not play at a snailspace. Especially in poe, with its pretty much complete lack of positioning play, almost complete lack of combos etc. Little slower is not an argumet "for", its an argumet "against". It is a fact, that after the nerf, it will be more annoying and slower to play a summoner. Unless we get a real summoner patch, and not a bandaid like we did before, with the skills that we can't even realistically fit into our sockets. P.S. IIR+IIQ are not real combat supports, so the zombies in question are 4L, and I myself use them, and I myself know how much slower they clear. So quit lieing, it is very easy to test, most of us don't even need to test, since we all used IIR+IIQ at some point and know the clearspeed deifference. IGNs GroovyBeard JooJooFromTheWell Last edited by Allnamestaken#7661 on Jun 21, 2014, 1:47:45 AM	Posted by Allnamestaken#7661 on Jun 21, 2014, 1:40:58 AM Quote this Post
" Allnamestaken wrote: I love how this nerfs apologists justification is - it will be just a little slower. That goes against the very principle of arpgs - the whole point is to make your character kill stuff as fast as possible, and not play at a snailspace. Especially in poe, with its pretty much complete lack of positioning play, almost complete lack of combos etc. Little slower is not an argumet "for", its an argumet "against". It is a fact, that after the nerf, it will be more annoying and slower to play a summoner. Unless we get a real summoner patch, and not a bandaid like we did before, with the skills that we can't even realistically fit into our sockets. P.S. IIR+IIQ are not real combat supports, so the zombies in question are 4L, and I myself use them, and I myself know how much slower they clear. So quit lieing, it is very easy to test, most of us don't even need to test, since we all used IIR+IIQ at some point and know the clearspeed deifference. I can easily replace iir and iiq with melee physical and minion damage if i want more damage. Or life gain on hit for reflect maps. But they kill and survive well enough without any changes most of the time. Last edited by kompaniet#2874 on Jun 21, 2014, 11:21:52 AM	Posted by kompaniet#2874 on Jun 21, 2014, 11:20:35 AM Quote this Post
Again with well enough...all I did was point out that those zombies were in fact 4L and not 6L as was claimed, that is all. And I use almost the same setup and know that on high lvl maps this makes zombies unabale to oneshot many white mobs, only saving grace is the passive from montregul's (which will be history after the fix). RIP MF summoner come snapshot fix? Really don't see myself able to use IIR+IIQ outside dominus after it hits, I guess will have to wait and see. IGNs GroovyBeard JooJooFromTheWell Last edited by Allnamestaken#7661 on Jun 21, 2014, 2:23:39 PM	Posted by Allnamestaken#7661 on Jun 21, 2014, 2:19:24 PM Quote this Post
I think I'll just turn my summoner to farm dominus, until I get Shav's and can cull in maps, if things remain unchanged. By that I mean, zombies dun get buffed dmg wise. I have no issue re-summoning Zombies, it's a minor change in playstyle, and I can get used it. If things[read : gems+tree] change in our favour, I may go on a diff route. My Build tree for nxt Xpac Spoiler https://www.poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgMAVysHY-aBO-ERUKcr4veLem0ZRX4OXBB0f8aio8Hzw23sGMHF8h7JPb-Xkycc3BEvtveIa-OEDkgRlutjmZpXyTyO6rq0DPqAKpjZC6cIuJPr7ij6TbmqxIVgzLz315uh0NCPRhCXRATz3Rpsna760h0UjHZN2DrY7DgpT-QigW-ePPfBJIt8u53EWPW3MUNjms9xTWae-eiCx2qs0_sGSRNscLvZEy9v4YhGcR2qGYqbtcM6ykpvnoMJ-wn22hqP7Ip9GGvbc1O71sBU_kmApCSwhtEXL2TnVdZWLax_kDOIQKas Last edited by ScarS#6572 on Jun 21, 2014, 10:52:41 PM	Posted by ScarS#6572 on Jun 21, 2014, 10:51:58 PM Quote this Post
" ScarS wrote: I think I'll just turn my summoner to farm dominus, until I get Shav's and can cull in maps, if things remain unchanged. By that I mean, zombies dun get buffed dmg wise. I have no issue re-summoning Zombies, it's a minor change in playstyle, and I can get used it. If things[read : gems+tree] change in our favour, I may go on a diff route. My Build tree for nxt Xpac Spoiler https://www.poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgMAVysHY-aBO-ERUKcr4veLem0ZRX4OXBB0f8aio8Hzw23sGMHF8h7JPb-Xkycc3BEvtveIa-OEDkgRlutjmZpXyTyO6rq0DPqAKpjZC6cIuJPr7ij6TbmqxIVgzLz315uh0NCPRhCXRATz3Rpsna760h0UjHZN2DrY7DgpT-QigW-ePPfBJIt8u53EWPW3MUNjms9xTWae-eiCx2qs0_sGSRNscLvZEy9v4YhGcR2qGYqbtcM6ykpvnoMJ-wn22hqP7Ip9GGvbc1O71sBU_kmApCSwhtEXL2TnVdZWLax_kDOIQKas You might as well use CI with that setup. Till you find shav which is when u stack auras. (which is now much harder with our limited slots) Necronomicon: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617098 Build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/409940 Summoner Dischord: https://discord.gg/XwWdSUa Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/zhoukon Last edited by mattc3303#7526 on Jun 22, 2014, 1:09:36 AM	Posted by mattc3303#7526 on Jun 22, 2014, 1:09:24 AM Quote this Post