{3.2.0} Spectral Gods: [Life Based Spectre/Golem Hybrid Summoner | Clear Speed | End Game Bossing]
" thanks! i would never run zombies without ML. But evangelists did seem reasonable. I'll have to try ! i would love to use remote mine to raise them. |
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Just lost 2 of my Evangelists, WTH! And then I realized that I've just 20% vendor quality Desicrate! And they were right when they say the level of corpses for Spectre do matter. LOL
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Wall of text on snapshotting, and the general direction of PoE -or- A Rant
If they fix snapshotting, and dont give a reasonable amount of base attackspeed to zombies, this spec as we know it is dead.
If they fix snapshotting, and dont make it so you can raise spectres more reliably than just picking up what happens to be in the instance they died in, spectres are worthless. If they fix snapshotting, and dont buff the shit out of summoners the very same patch, im going to be frustrated. But to be honest, i expect them to do just that (like smoke mine, where convocation took 3 weeks. 3 weeks of not being able to clear indoor maps as a summoner at a reasonable speed) The way summoner works now is fine, from a power level perspective. You don't get that much more powerful than other specs for the same amount of currency. Actually progressing from the "20/20 RZ, tabula rasa, grasp" plateau is substantially harder than with other specs at that gear level. They put 5ex towards a new weapon. You get to have the fun of getting a +1 gem tabula, 21/20 RZ (thats not unlike the progression in powerlevel/wealth of casters) and probably a lvl3/4 empower. All the while youre dependant on the minion AI, cant do superlategame shit like atziri because you have no way to reliably dodge all those spells (people call smoke mining atziri an exploit? minions are part of my character, why can I not make them dodge shit on demand? why dont fucking rf-cycloners get forced to tank flameblasts and stormcalls? or incinerators? just take control away from them and force them to take it lol. Fucking movement exploit!) This is just bullshit, Ive stopped playing my summoner 2 weeks or so ago (after +1tabula and 21/20, there was no goal left i could reasonably achieve on my character) so I have no personal interest in snapshotting staying in the game, or summoners getting buffed or anything. But "fixing snapshotting" is exactly the stuff ggg wouldnt do if they would understand what makes their game great. Fixing snapshotting is akin to fixing the skiing bug on the first Tribes. Snapshotting was an emergent mechanic, that lent path of exile a huge deal of complexity. Complexity is the main draw of path of exile. Do you remember your first time looking at the skill tree, being overwhelmned, thinking of the possibilities, all those different stats, trying to wrap your head around everything? yeah, thats what the people playing PoE want. Snapshotting was/is so prevalent, it's its own layer of mechanics in PoE nowadays. While I do not claim it's as big of a deal as the passive tree, its certainly of comparable size in high level play. Removing snapshotting is therefore comparable to removing the passive tree, in a way (a very specific way): It is the removal of a mechanics layer. It's therefore making the game less complex. What is keeping us all around so long? Figuring out new stuff, cause there's so much of it still to be discovered after all these years. Well guess what, now there's a whole lot less to play around with, to fiddle with. A whole part of the game is to be removed, in my eyes. It is nothing but a loss of complexity, and diversity. I would understand it if Snapshotting specs were somewhere even close to overpowered, but look at what RF damage is without it? There are summoners claiming to not snapshot, but theyre gimping themselves not only compared to SS-Summoners, no, theyre also gimping themselves when compared to any other build. Animate Weapon and Raging Skullhead Summoners (tritotem) are almost guaranteed to outperform non-SS-Zombie/Spectre summoners on equal gear levels. While I dont want to attack those niche-summoner builds, they surely are not what comes to mind when you think of a summoner, traditionally. I've always liked the exile approach. Get scammed? should have watched out better. Screwed up your character? make a new one. etc. There is someone getting an economic benefit out of something? good on him... I have seen this attitude change gradually, from cb to ob to now. Look at the reaction to HvCs uber atziri kill, with his massive use of regrets to respec-snapshot. Instead of admiring his ingenuity, his commitment, and his creative approach (i like to believe that is what we, as a community, would have done in cb, or even OB maybe) now all i hear "Snapshotting is a disgrace" "Disgusting" "FIX WHEN PLX" I hope theyll be happy when they finally won, and we can all happily groundslam monsters that dont deal any damage anymore until they drop a high-tier unique, guaranteed. Please remove the skill tree, scares people off. Please finally fix desync, its easy, we dont like the accuracy and hitcheck mechanic anyway. Please give trading update, so the market is efficient enough to make what is nowadays worth 2-10c unsellable, and what is... oh well its getting late. There are developments at play, and we can see them gradually increase from release to now, which make the game more simple. Maybe its good for PoE, or GGG. Personally, I don't think PoE should try to out-casual other games, its not its niche... at all. But I feel like im in the minority nowadays. Stay safe /rant Last edited by Inkompetentia#4501 on May 2, 2014, 10:55:08 PM
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" ^This, well said. Snapshotting compensates to a degree for the lack of affixes on items or other ways to improve minions, while other classes have ways to improve. But once it's fixed I hope there will be an item and/or class overhaul to make the summoner actually viable in end-game. "Catchafire2000"
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" I spoiler-ed the response cause it's really a moot discussion and quite off topic.
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The reason I mentioned our intended stash expansion was because we placed funds on our internet CC on the day the SM fix was out... talk about close calls :D We tried the game, liked it and were about to expand our accounts but after the SM fix fiasco I finally read up on the weird "fixes", "nerfs" and "balancing" done in the past, so we virtually stopped playing. Throwing a few $ isn't an issue, but the game is free, so if I had to pay for how little I play, I just wouldn't play it.
Personally I'll keep tabs on the summoner forums/reddit when I can, log in here and there, and if things improve I'll gladly do a 180, but right now paying to play the summoner and slave away in preparation for THE nerf (in a long line of nerfs) is not something I will do. Summoner is the only reason I ever took this game up anyway, so as long as it keeps being downgraded PoE will be just something I jump into once/twice per week. If it gets better, it'll be worth my time/money, if not, no biggie. IGN: Bootfish, Bootcharge, Krux ☆ PoE YouTube Channel: http://tinyurl.com/bootfish 2.0 Uber Atziri Video guide for "Mjolner Armor Life MoM/EB": http://tinyurl.com/malmomeb 2.0 Videos: 82 Core ☆ Uber Atziri: http://tinyurl.com/bootfish Build guide thread: http://tinyurl.com/liferainbownuke Last edited by Krux#5388 on May 3, 2014, 1:09:49 AM
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Hi guys, I don't think that snapshooting works for spectres anymore. I never did it because I didn't know about it. I tried for a half hour to keep a spectre raised by a Tabula Rasa with me after I put a different armor without success.
Off course it may be just my missunderstanding. Please somebody confirm my find or show me the way to do it. I need spectres as powerful it can be while vearing a decent armor without links. |
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" Nope, snapshotting definitely still works. Check the Q/A section on the first page for instructions. You can also search on Youtube, a few people have demonstrated how to do it. |
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I've also noticed that Convocation seems to have a bug.
If you walk into a room and use the skill while standing next to a wall, some of your minions won't be teleported to you and will be left outside the room. I've found that if I stand further away from a wall, all minions get teleported without any problems. |
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" The active gem needs to be swapped in town and it needs to be in the same position (socket and link) as the Tabula. Sockets go (linked or not): 12 43 56 Links go (where 1, 2, and 3 are link clusters): 11 21 23 or 11 11 11 for a 6-linked item. So if your Raise Spectre (S) is in socket 3 link 1 in the Tabula: 12 11 4S 1S 56 11 it can be in the same position in the armour mentioned above (socket 3 link 1): 12 11 4S 2S 56 23 But if you have an armour with different link clusters, like this: 12 11 43 22 56 33 and you swap Raise Spectre from socket 3 link 1 in your Tabula to here: 12 11 4S 2S 56 33 it wouldn't work, because it's in the correct socket (3), but the wrong link (1 in the Tabula, 2 in the armour). If your armour has 6 sockets and no links (works with any number of sockets), then it has 6 link clusters: 12 12 43 43 56 56 and you have to place Raise Spectre here in the Tabula: S2 S1 43 11 56 11 in order to match the link cluster of your armour. Obviously the colours need to match as well. So now that nobody is confused, we can get back to bitching about snapshotting. Last edited by cMarivs#2630 on May 3, 2014, 4:34:28 AM
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fortunately, I don't actually play this game anymore anyways. so I don't have to worry about summoners being nerf batted to 3rd rateness like every other self cast spell
back to dota 2 to get my arpg fix! Last edited by testinglk#0846 on May 3, 2014, 5:24:20 AM
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" If that's the way they chose..that'll be very sad. I hope they understood the mistakes they have done and come with something good. Imho snapshots mechanism are good cause they offer versatility and diversity and can be used for all class..even if the only class the only class that really NEED it is summoner. My others class can clear up to 76 78 without godly gear and with only 5L my summoners can't + they need to be 20/20 to really do something. Its like if GGG were working hand in hand with rmter but officially offering an opposite stance. Still have 2 pages to read You ARE my Bitch of burden!
"Stay Alive exile! Or you'll be the next zombie someone raises off the beach." - Altnaharra " Be Excellent To Each Other" -MikeP_GGG "If you die to yourself are you still the victor? " - BEX_GGG |
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