{3.2.0} Spectral Gods: [Life Based Spectre/Golem Hybrid Summoner | Clear Speed | End Game Bossing]

Unfortunate to hear that they will be removing snapshotting, but this build should still work fine, it will just be much more expensive in that you will need a 6L chest for full effectiveness of your minions. I would probably stick my spectres in the 6link and my zombies in a 4L +2 minion helm, I feel like zombies benefit much more from +level than spectres do.

As far as snapshot removal is concerned, while I agree that properly specced/geared summoners are OP, I wonder if it's worth the loss of variety and playstyle, and if it would not be better to just balance around it. It's possible that I'm just biased or wrong, and they come up with an interesting solution though.

So assuming no snapshotting and no changes to current gear or the tree, how would you say end-game summoners compare with other builds in terms of clear speed, survivability and cost?

Cause if you think about it, no snapshotting means no multiple types of spectres, unless you're doing some really generic linking, which kind of defies the point of getting different spectres, and no snapshotting also means only 4 total zombies if using Mon'tregul, assuming you have all minion notables or use Bones of Ullr.

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dulahan200 wrote:

Getting "102%" resistances, would help in that case?

102% MAX would help, but it wouldn't make you immune unless she only had 2% penetration, and I'm guessing she has more than that.

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RonnieLee wrote:

To those who posted or given insight to my query, a big thank you.

If I had known, I would have started off with quality gems. :(
Now I'm stuck with it. Fortunately, I have 2 nos of RZ gems. :)

Perhaps this piece of info on quality of gems can be added to the guide?
It will be useful for someone just starting out.

You want 20% on your Raise Zombie and maybe on some of those supports. You don't need it on Raise Spectre or any of the aura gems. Personally, I would just GCP up Raise Zombie, and vendor recipe the supports - things like 20% Melee Physical Damage and Faster Attacks break even with their level 20 counterparts at level 10, which is nothing. It's a bit more annoying for Multistrike, but I think you can live with it.

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Tried rolling a non snapshotted 6L RZ + 4L RS setup based on this build, and I can definitely tell the difference. Even with snapshotting, summoners are anything but a facerolling class, so in end-game terms I'd say we will be in the lower tier when it comes to viability (clear speed, survivability) and it will cost a bitch to get things off the ground.

Imo, with the snapshot fix, a summoner overhaul is needed to keep the class interesting and not torturous to play.

Don't kid yourselves people. Even if an overhaul will come, it will come much later than the fix, when the forums will be filled to teh brim with QQ threads from summoners littered with whiteknightean anti-snapshot glee on other people's misfortune. Because that is always the case with POE. Hell it took them years to buff minions at all, same with other skills (*cough* arc *cought*), and two weeks to fix the smoke mine "fix".

Oh I know the overhaul is not happening, I was just musing at the idea :D And in the case of summoners, I think the QQing is warranted. In the few months of playing, I keep laughing at the implemented and planned changes, and how the summoner keeps getting broken apart. Still can't believe how close the missus and I were to wasting money on PoE, and then feel like suckers due to constant irratic changes to the game.

For me personally, eversince the SM debacle, my PoE playtime has gone down from 3-5h/day during work days and ~10h/day on weekends to just rolling a few maps every other day. And even then I give PoE the time of day because I'm leveling gems for a planned Facebreaker duelist so I can start off with q20s, but I doubt it will be more fun than the summoner in its' current state.

Why are people acting surprised that snapshotting is being fixed??? Instead of wasting currency on snap shot gear, invest in something that will benefit your build after the fix.

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Krux wrote:

Oh I know the overhaul is not happening, I was just musing at the idea :D And in the case of summoners, I think the QQing is warranted. In the few months of playing, I keep laughing at the implemented and planned changes, and how the summoner keeps getting broken apart. Still can't believe how close the missus and I were to wasting money on PoE, and then feel like suckers due to constant irratic changes to the game.

For me personally, eversince the SM debacle, my PoE playtime has gone down from 3-5h/day during work days and ~10h/day on weekends to just rolling a few maps every other day. And even then I give PoE the time of day because I'm leveling gems for a planned Facebreaker duelist so I can start off with q20s, but I doubt it will be more fun than the summoner in its' current state.

You have issues financially supporting a game you have played for hours on end?

Well, considering I am not, and will not play it for hours on end anymore due to GGG's balancing methods, throwing ~400-500eu across 2 accounts is definitely an issue. For what little time I will spend on PoE, mule chars/accounts will suffice.

no one should be surprise at snapshotting fix. we all got used to it but if you think about it, the fact that you can have 6 link without wearing a 6 link, and benefits of items without equipping them is nonsensical in the first place. we just have to hope they rebalance minions though once snapshotting is removed.

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peterchao789 wrote:

no one should be surprise at snapshotting fix. we all got used to it but if you think about it, the fact that you can have 6 link without wearing a 6 link, and benefits of items without equipping them is nonsensical in the first place. we just have to hope they rebalance minions though once snapshotting is removed.

Most of us I assume use it because its there. Free stats are available to us and it feels stupid to skip out on it especially when your trying to min/max.

But yeah am sure no one will be surprised and should not QQ about it when it happens it was a bug in the game for years.

I think one of the problems summoner has is the late game scaling, once you hit level 20 gems then what? Other builds can buy better and better weapons/gear. Summoner pretty much flatline unless you take considerable effort and currency into raising zombie level and even than there is a hard ceiling once you cap all your gems. Maybe have minion damage affix be rolled else where? Like a weapon.

I do think the 6l zombie and 4l spectre will be better, evangelist actually don't require many supports to deal good damage I was thinking.

Evangelist + remote mine + conc effect + Iaoe
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Eva + remote mine + fasting casting + minion damage

Anyways am predicting minion snapshot to come in 1.3 not 1.2. It seems to me GGG has an idea of what they want to do but implementing and testing will take a while. So wwe still have a while to enjoy snapshotting while it lasts. Just be prepared and prep for when it does happen.