Ninja Vampire vs. Cyborg Werewolf

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TheJedipimp wrote:
Originaly i believed that the stealth of the vamp would easily be negated due to thermal tracking but vamps dont give off body heat because they are not technicaly alive. Still the werewolf could track smell. A ninja would definatly have a way to mask its sent tho.
Ludicrous. The vampire has full motor control - it uses it's muscles. It has blood running in it's veins (but presumably loses some over time and needs to top up). These things give off heat.

The werewolf takes this one, because ninja aren't fighters. They're assassins. Every strength they have is in deception, misdirection, and avoiding detection. They sneak in, kill the target, and leave without being noticed, they don't fight anyone. In an actual fight against a competent opponent, the ninja loses every time.

The cyborg werewolf has both the honed-to-perfection natural senses of a werewolf, and the infa-red/heat-detection and other cybernetically upgraded inputs of near-future tech. That's enough to counter the ninja's ability to hide and sneak (even granted extra vamp abilities such as turning to mist/flight - the two effectively cancel out, such that neither has more of an advantage over the other there.
As a result, we end up with a fair fight between the vamp (with the unnatural strength of the undead) and the werewolf (with the ridiculous strength of the lycanthrope further augmented by various cyborg upgrades, ranged weapons such as lasers and missiles, and unnaturally fast reflexes.

Cyborg werewolf is the clear victor. The only way it's not is if we're running on a lore where vamps have the ability to exert mental control over "creatures of the night" and werewolves count as such - in which case there was never a fight in the first place.
Yeah, also looking at it from the other way, given an equal fight between a vamp and a werewolf, they are left with ninja vs. cyborg.

Ninja gains outdated stealth technique. Cyborg gains future science.

Science wins hands down, every time, because no matter what something else is, you can always postulate a science based solution that is greater than the problem, to which there is no counter.
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Ninja gains outdated stealth technique

(note:first time trying to quote some one, not sure if I did it right)

If the ninja part was anything like the ninjas in Ninja Assassins, they do pretty well against modern day tech. Now Im not saying it would be the same with furture tech, but I could see where the advantage of science is not as great as people may think.

On a side note relating to this. Any chance you guys could make a super rare and unique Map for the endgame that you could walk in and see a Nija Vampire and Cyborg Werewolf beating the crap out of each other? Then maybe the winner turns toward you and you two go at it.

Yeah I know the Creatures of the Night and future tech dont fit in with the theme, but that would be amazing and would make on of my dreams come true Haha.

Edit: Haha I did the quote right, kinda, can any one give me a clue to what I did wrong? I ddint get the posters name with it
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TheJedipimp wrote:

Edit: Haha I did the quote right, kinda, can any one give me a clue to what I did wrong? I ddint get the posters name with it


Not sure where the name went. When you hit the "Q" button you should see this (replace asterisk with brackets)

*quote="TheJedipimp"*
Edit: Haha I did the quote right, kinda, can any one give me a clue to what I did wrong? I ddint get the posters name with it*/quote*

And that'll do her. Just make sure when you're editing out parts you don't want quoted you leave the name tags.

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Onionspam wrote:


And that'll do her. Just make sure when you're editing out parts you don't want quoted you leave the name tags.



Thank you sir
I'm bored at work and the threads in general and gameplay are kinda boring today so I decided to necro this thread to get some fresh ideas since it was posted over a year ago and we have ton of new players around
If the Ninja has a Lightsaber, he wins.

Otherwie it's the werewolf.
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zeto wrote:

Science wins hands down, every time, because no matter what something else is, you can always postulate a science based solution that is greater than the problem, to which there is no counter.

You assume to much. There is no possible way for the werewolf to determine if anything around him is real, a vampire could be merely manipulating his senses. Any engineering the werewolf performs could just be part of the vampires master plan to steal technology, while the werewolf helplessly stumbles around in a delusional state.
And as we get down to basics you should realize that the pack-like nature of the werewolf limits him far more than the eternal masterminded organizations of the clever and long sighted ninja vampire. You could assume high level vampires would have their hands in any tech which the werewolf would have access to, perhaps implanting a 4th prime directive(as in the original robocop movie).
Furthermore when technology is available it will come down to the resources available to which combatant. Just because technology is integrated with biological components is irrelevant. But the higher intelligence, superior organizational and networking skills, and immortality of the vampire gives the clear advantage to the vampire in terms of potential revenue generated... and thus superior tech.
To assume that any respectably intelligent being would 'fight fair' in one on one combat is as ridiculously insulting as the plot of the final season of star trek enterprise(with time traveling nazi aliens). A ninja would never reveal itself until the fatal blow had already been struck.


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A Werewolf does aggravated damage, so no contest!
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Mark_GGG wrote:
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TheJedipimp wrote:
Originaly i believed that the stealth of the vamp would easily be negated due to thermal tracking but vamps dont give off body heat because they are not technicaly alive. Still the werewolf could track smell. A ninja would definatly have a way to mask its sent tho.
Ludicrous. The vampire has full motor control - it uses it's muscles. It has blood running in it's veins (but presumably loses some over time and needs to top up). These things give off heat.

The werewolf takes this one, because ninja aren't fighters. They're assassins. Every strength they have is in deception, misdirection, and avoiding detection. They sneak in, kill the target, and leave without being noticed, they don't fight anyone. In an actual fight against a competent opponent, the ninja loses every time.

The cyborg werewolf has both the honed-to-perfection natural senses of a werewolf, and the infa-red/heat-detection and other cybernetically upgraded inputs of near-future tech. That's enough to counter the ninja's ability to hide and sneak (even granted extra vamp abilities such as turning to mist/flight - the two effectively cancel out, such that neither has more of an advantage over the other there.
As a result, we end up with a fair fight between the vamp (with the unnatural strength of the undead) and the werewolf (with the ridiculous strength of the lycanthrope further augmented by various cyborg upgrades, ranged weapons such as lasers and missiles, and unnaturally fast reflexes.

Cyborg werewolf is the clear victor. The only way it's not is if we're running on a lore where vamps have the ability to exert mental control over "creatures of the night" and werewolves count as such - in which case there was never a fight in the first place.


A guy from GGG said werewolf. I'm pretty sure that that's the end of the discussion, until the dragon wakes up and finds a hairy pest outside his lair.

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