Beware Astramentis Stellar Amulet scammers - Its GGGs fault i think

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Here's a take:

First, it's interesting to see all of those posting here who even in a choice between the seller and the buyer, choose to blame the buyer in this case...So, the thread is likely a good source for accounts to add to the trade-ignore list.

While it might be tempting to allocate blame to 1 party, there are at least 3 who share blame in this case.

~70% of the blame - The scammer, who could have instead chosen to not cheat the buyer.
~20% of the blame - The buyer, who could have exercised more caution during each step of the transaction.
~10% of the blame - The trade facilitator (GGG), who could (in the same way that they identify the requested item for the seller in the trade stash tab) indicate that the item in the trade window either matches or does not match the item that was originally requested by the buyer.

Additionally, the structure of this game protects clever scammers from repercussions, including vigilante justice, by keeping zones instanced (player-characters separated) and thus preventing wronged parties from seeking justice through their own action (PvP-style wrecking shop in the scammer's hideout and maps). This is a format decided-upon by the game facilitator (GGG), which adds to their share of the blame in connection with this inherent protection of scammers.

Humorously -- I think it would be appropriate and funny for rip-off transactions, once discovered as such, to present the seller with an opportunity to make things right, and if the seller refuses, all of their instances become open to the wronged party (any character in their account) as PvP enabled for as long as the wronged party desires.

"Let the Buyer Beware" (caveat emptor): This philosophy when expressed purely is harsh. Sure, the buyer does bear some responsibility for ensuring that they are receiving that which they expected, but there can always be misunderstandings and deceptions that go beyond a reasonable degree of investigation. Some level of 3rd-party oversight and possible intervention are important in the avoidance of a marketplace being overly-infested with scammers.

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This is ridiculous. Just....completely ridiculous reasoning. This isn't some phone scam where the guy convinces you to wire money and do crazy things that tends to take quite a long time: it is a singular trade. Within a video game.

This is like someone going on the internet, finding a random website that "sells" things....and buying something. That isn't the website's fault for existing.....it's YOUR fault for choosing to do something stupid. Like leaving your wallet on a random bench and walking away from it. Scams and scammers exist, period. That is life, whether its in a game or out. It is NEVER GOING TO BE mostly the fault of the scammer. It is YOUR JOB as the buyer to be aware of where your money is going and do your homework. In PoE, that means taking the ONE SECOND OF TIME it may take you to actually verify the item.

We aren't babies. GGG doesn't need to hold our hand with a "honey, that isn't the toy you asked for".
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Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on Feb 20, 2025, 10:41:04 AM
They should really design a mechanic that requires you to... Idk.... Hover your cursor over the item to read what it is and verify what you are buying..... Oh wait 🤦 devs can't protect you from yourself my guy. Wtf more do you want a 24 hr hold with a human employee of GGG to verify all trades? It's 100% on you to actually read the item description that it requires you to look at before being able to even complete a trade. The scammer is a POS but like come on
This is partly GGG's fault for how the trade system works.

They could automate trading through the trade site by just clicking a button, the item disappears from the other player's inventory, and appears in yours. Your currency disappears from your inventory and appears in theirs. No whsipering required, no invitations, no travelling to each others locations, no checking if you are getting scammed, no time wasting. Just a notification that the trade was successful.

They could still maintain the current system for bidding or item exchange, but run a more automated version besides it.

Added bonus that this can allow keeping a global history of trades, so scams can be undone, as well as now having stats for what the actual going price of certain items are.
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devius#7857 wrote:
Oh! It's working on my end, but the URL for it is: https://ibb.co/fdRTMdLF
I don't know why the picture is appearing broken in the forum, and that makes a whole lot of sense why no one is understanding then. If this doesn't work let me know and I'll find another way to upload it.


Devius.....those are both astramentis. YOU made the mistake in the trade, not the site. That unid amulet can't EVER BE struggle. It is an Astramentis.

That is all your picture proves....that YOU made a mistake and fell for a trick.


Except for if you'd pay any attention you'd have read that the graphic was even the same during the trade, and the item appeared to be what it said. It wasn't until the item was identified that it was NOT the same, and the graphic changed.
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devius#7857 wrote:
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devius#7857 wrote:
Oh! It's working on my end, but the URL for it is: https://ibb.co/fdRTMdLF
I don't know why the picture is appearing broken in the forum, and that makes a whole lot of sense why no one is understanding then. If this doesn't work let me know and I'll find another way to upload it.


Devius.....those are both astramentis. YOU made the mistake in the trade, not the site. That unid amulet can't EVER BE struggle. It is an Astramentis.

That is all your picture proves....that YOU made a mistake and fell for a trick.


Except for if you'd pay any attention you'd have read that the graphic was even the same during the trade, and the item appeared to be what it said. It wasn't until the item was identified that it was NOT the same, and the graphic changed.

That's 100% false. Here's a screenshot from someone on Reddit who did the same thing u did:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1i87ab4/psa_there_are_2_different_stellar_amulets/
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devius#7857 wrote:


Except for if you'd pay any attention you'd have read that the graphic was even the same during the trade, and the item appeared to be what it said. It wasn't until the item was identified that it was NOT the same, and the graphic changed.


You are lying, or wrong, or both. That's all there is to it. It's actually pretty funny you are telling me that I'm not paying attention...

You were tricked by your own inattentiveness....live and learn.
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Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on Feb 23, 2025, 9:34:11 PM
Naa these situations aren't right. Fix it. Many customers demand it. These scammers need to go.

Anyone's ability to blame the victim is only possible because these situations are allowed. Kindly leave the thread unless you are a scammer who wants to blame the victim so you can keep scamming ;)
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rmc0911#0794 wrote:
Naa these situations aren't right. Fix it. Many customers demand it. These scammers need to go.

Anyone's ability to blame the victim is only possible because these situations are allowed. Kindly leave the thread unless you are a scammer who wants to blame the victim so you can keep scamming ;)


I don't really agree that victims can't be blamed. If you leave your wallet on the bus it's on you when you don't get it back and someone has your money.

The scammers are still bad but players have responsibility for their items.

wtf is this debate... just change the damn names of all 3 unique unidentified Stellar Amulets to show the full name on them even if they are unidentified.
Boom no more scam attempts, no more complains, less reports sent, etc everyone is happy, except those scammers.
Last edited by loopax55#5378 on Feb 24, 2025, 5:12:28 AM
yeah that nasty trick

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