Take on "Ben's" feedback
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I agree with every single take in his video and none of yours.
and sometimes it feels like you actually didn't watch the video, like at the start where u point out good stuff that "he didn't touch upon", but he did. and funny you call him out on being a redditor, meanwhile your take reflects exactly what poe2 reddit says to every single complaint about the game and brush them off as EA, as if EA didn't mean we have EA so players can help us test and figure stuff out for balancing. -He talks about the stuff you mention and honestly no idea what you are even saying at the start -The campaign is better because it's not tedious to buy gems etc.. while not having the currency to do so, and people were complaining about the "areas" you are praising since day one that they decided to add "checkpoints" but i guess we forgot about that, or maybe you think a waypoint that actually ruins the immersion is okay, but having a well is a must for immersion... -Almost every single map in POE1 is fine and better than POE 2. and you forget to mention that even on the "bad layouts" you have travel skills in POE1 or ways to traverse you don't have in POE2, and while its not happening 99% of the time, you can actually miss a rare even if you are pathing correctly because some stuff don't show up unless you are literally on top of them, and when that happens and you have to walk for 3 mins on a bad layout makes most people want to exit the game. (that was his point. ) -For the bosses you forget the actual right way to play the game and actually get loot is : clear all the areas without bosses/stuff you wanna do -> use tablet on maps that have those things. and yes that can take a long time. no one who actually knows how optimize is going to use boss tablets because they are bad. (unless maybe you have 2 towers next to each other or sth) + they literally said they want people who are only interested in bosses, only be able to do bosses and well you cant do that and its worse than poe 1 somehow... -Rare monsters : yea no, nothing drops from white and blue monsters and if they do 90%:10% ratio seems about right if you actually have played the game. - "It's not in "Alpha" status. The fundament is established, the core mechanics are laid out and we now test these things - give feedback and GGG changes stuff or not. Hell, Over half of the game is missing." so half the base game is missing but at the same time "core mechanics are laid out" can you decide on one ? also he is giving feedback right now. "We haven't had many changes in the last two months? The 0.1.1 patch notes would disagree with him and holidays ma dood." if you watched 1 min of him talking or watched his 0.1.1 video you know he is talking about herald nerfs that should happen. their scope was release the game within 6months-1year. at this rate if they only wanna nerf every 3 months the game will release in 2027 while eating more resources from POE 1. + its not a league. its "half of the game is missing" so treat it as such. the backlash will be way bigger when they wait. and you can still offer free tree respecs and stuff which was half the reason people complained when they nerfed cast on x. (myself included. got to maps and went to sleep. had like 5k gold after trying to fix my gear before i start mapping. next day i wake up with 5k gold and a whole tree that was built around "freezing" stuff and no way to have actual clear, since i dont have the gold to respec. tldr you can nerf builds without making people that angry because u didn't offer them a tree reset after their whole tree got nerfed and their only other option was make a new character, which doesnt apply anymore because most people have millions of gold rn) -The combat : you talk about "don't play x build" but at the same time "they shouldn't nerf builds rn". so like i'm supposed to be dumb and play a sub optimal build (that btw gets screwed by breach/ritual/farms 1000 times slower) because it's my job to balance the game and make combat "meaningful" ? and he did play bad builds and mentioned it in the video so again listen to the video before you react to it. (quin builds are bad btw and every single person agrees on that) also he wasn't just talking about bosses. he plays hcssf and none of his builds from what i've seen weren't actually seeing bosses. he is talking about how meaningless it is to press 1 button and clear a whole screen (mobs).meanwhile people keep talking about how meaningless poe 1 combat is and he gives examples of how many things he has to do in each. (which from my experience playing everything has been. havent played crossbows if thats very relevant) -Waystones: because he doesn't like doing 20 empty maps then with 0 mechanics then cleanup the bad layouts then do the maps he actually wants. its tedious. people hated sextants for very similar reasons. and those map mods still exist in poe 2 (the es regen/ ele pen/ multi proj/ max res/break your armor/ all damage mods are actually worse than poe1 so idk whats ur point) except you can actually reroll them in POE1 without using ur rarest currency (chaos and anul orbs). - "some dude got a "+7 super duper weapon" so his "Hammer of the Gods" cost more mana than the character had!? Wow... really!? Could that be because the power increase from SEVEN additional levels over the max soft cap provides insane damage, so the cost has to make relative sense?" oh yes i loved how my essence drain almost did enough damage to kill monsters in a reasonable amount of time before i get surrounded and killed with over 50k ehp at gem level 35. very very strong and provides "insane damage". to even play the skill i have to use 600 mana per cast. very fun to solve... also warrior and bottom left side of the tree doesn't have any mana nodes and i'm sorry to break it to you, but dude is playing ssf and cant just "click mana on gear on trade" to actually be able to use his weapon. the only L take is actually yours, because you can actually see that you have indeed not played "non optimal builds" or in this case warrior-side of the tree. "Power in PoE2 is not free" except if you use HOI and statstacking and almost every single build that isn't warrior... -"It's weird to say it, but most things he said are like "Redditor" stuff you get from ppl without a clue about mechanics and understanding of systems, who are hard-stuck in yellow maps and only can play for a few hours a week because of the 12 wives and 69 kids." yea ben the guy who got to 95+ on hcssf and killed a bunch of bosses there, won like the last 10 gauntlets in poe1 doesnt understand the game but you do.. like i'm not calling you bad since I have no idea, but to actually call that guy bad is an " L take". + as mentioned above you are acting more of a redditor than he is. I hope GGG actually listen to people like him and ignore people like you, who brush off every single complaint a person has. mostly because i do love this game and i do want to play it in the long term. have a nice day. |
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Don’t disrespect Ben please
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Nah, all his takes are spot on if you ask me. It's why I stopped playing poe2.
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Nah, all his takes are spot on if you ask me. It's why I stopped playing poe2.
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" just saying the people who really adamantly hate what POE2 is; sure do seem to trend in a similar direction. But yeah good thing the games are forked. Personally I think GGG needs to release a POE1 league ASAP, so the people who want the cookie clicker can be distracted from the game thats trying to be more interesting than a mobile game. Pandering to players who don't want consequences for their mistakes is a perfect description of what went fundamentally wrong with D3 and 4. If they wanted mindless mobile game time waster gameplay they sure did make some perplexing choices and marketing statements for 6 fucking years. Last edited by alhazred70#2994 on Jan 29, 2025, 10:21:29 PM
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There are a few very vocal people who are soooooo set into poe1 for soooooooo many years that anything different doesn't fit their minds. Watching Ben's video is exactly like that, he is a master of poe1 for sure and he does point some things that could improve in some way but he points at them with some extreme negativity like someone who has been taken out of his comfort zone. That's ok, he will still have poe1 to zoom zoom no life. But that's not the point of poe2, which has a very different intention and still lacks 80% of the content it is supposed to have plus fixes and changes from actual feedback from people who do understand what's the point of poe2 (first thing he says in the video is he doesn't understand that). Ben, the point is not to please people who already love poe1. It is something else. You can like both or only one of them and that's ok.
Please GGG, adjust PoE2 for its own vision and do not turn it into PoE1 remastered. I, for one, have not played poe1 for a long time and have no intention on getting back to it. |
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" +1 You basically said what I meant to say (the post after yours) but much shorter and clearer |
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I haven’t seen a reply to the OP that rebuts any of his remarks in a cogitation fashion. (I Looked that word up)
Being a Poe 2 player who only played POE 1 to level 44 with a witch I greatly enjoy POE 2 and completely understand its monumental success. For the same reasons poe1 players don’t like poe2 I believe are the reasons poe2 appeals to a broader more casual audience. Really the only thing that upsets me about GGG and POE2 is that Elon musk admitted to boosting a top ranked character. Haven’t heard a peep from them about that. In POE2 I have lvl 88 Titan, level 95 Deadeye, level 95 Gemling. Poe1 was overly complicated I watched a video for about 30 minutes (2 hours long) of “Z” crafting a multi mirror in poe1 and all the graves and things he had to go through? Hard pass. Btw this has been bothering me about Ben’s video he said there’s no reason to kill anything except rates. I have had divines drop from magics and normals. Also distilled maps all mobs will drop simulacrums. I just don’t think he gave it a fair shake or maybe he’s upset about something other than the state of the game in particular. I could be wrong y’all sure do seem to like him a ton. He must be right about a few things. That’s the thing about hard long arguments, both sides are holding on to truths and both sides are right. |
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" My point was, that the campaign is better for other reasons than the improved systems like "Uncut Skill Gems" and "Gold for Vendors". That GGG had to add checkpoints could be used as an argument for "ppl don't know the layouts/tasks thus were highly inefficient". I completed the campaign on all classes multiple times and after some time you are on PoE1 zone completion time. In my opinion, the layouts are not worse in PoE2. If you would take away travel skills in PoE1 most maps would be horrible to run and vice versa with travel skills in PoE2 many ppl wouldn't complain. It's about the layout, not how you map. Do maps need improvement? Sure, but it's not hell. Isn't that the point? If you want as much bossing as possible you invest in it (tablets) and if you don't invest you get fewer bosses. What would be the trade if we get in every single map a boss? Them nerfing the boss loot to adjust the quantity? On drops from non-rares we just disagree. I don't know what content you run, but in my maps, mobs drop items according to their "rarity". But hey, different juicing/strats whatever, I won't have a problem should they buff the loot from them. I mean, there is a difference between an Alpha and a Beta for a reason. Both are stages in development and what will added, changed, etc. is different. For example, we know that Druid and Huntress are playable (testable), but they don't want us to test it in this circle. It's not "not developed", it's "not released". GGG themselves stated why they don't nerfed the things right now they want to nerf, don't know what to say about it. No, I didn't say they "shouldn't nerf build x", I said why they don't do it atm. I've seen the video, so don't act like I don't. He compared his "PoE2 one-button" build to another "PoE1 one-button" build where he sometimes presses more. Ok. And that's impossible in PoE2? Again, it's not the game's fault if he plays builds with fewer buttons to press, but if he wants to play a multi-button build - it's totally doable. About waystones, could be we progressed entirely differently. I haven't had any problems with them. Got a tab full of un-prepared T15s, another with juiced ones and half a tab with T16s to run. But I keep Mark (Neon) in mind. He had no problems either, while the community asked for a change, so yeah... who knows what the issue is exactly. No offence, but you not doing dmg with "Level 35 Essence Drain" is something I just let pass as... your counter-argument without "debunking" it. You know what warrior has in his location? Blood Magic. And if you say "Well, then his level 32 HotG takes half his hp"... yes, that's the point. That's the trade-off you need to deal with. You want to make something work over the soft-cap? Then find a way to "fix" it. Wild guess from you, assuming I don't played these kinds of builds. I only play without guides and have atm: - Blood Mage lvl 94 - Gemling lvl 92 - Infernalist 91 - Pathfinder 90 - Warbinger 88 - Stormweaver 71 - Deadeye 69 - Invoker 66 and a bunch I already deleted for various reasons. I've spent millions alone on respeccing to try on all character's different builds, so yes... I had weaker stuff too. Hell, my "Blood Mage" atm doesn't use any of the "meta" tech, no stat stacking, not a single Herald, no Archmage, no HOWA, no Pillar, no nothing. I tested this stuff too, from "one-button multiscreen explosions" to "multi-button pack-by-pack combat". Seems like my experience is just different to his for whatever reason. Well, from my point of view his takes are a big L and sound more like reddit, while it should be obvious that I know that he is a good player, but yeah... let's say my exaggeration was too harsh. |
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" Bro you got filtered by poe1, you are nowhere near at a level where you would be able to understand even 1% of Ben's criticisms towards PoE2. Just accept that you are new and inexperienced and you maybe don't know enough. It's not a hard concept. As for why people aren't trying to engage with the OP, it's because he's not actually discussing in good faith. He's here to patronise and belittle. We could sit and nitpick his post, but it would be pointless, because he is so full of himself that he would never accept rebuttals. However, for your sake, I will nitpick one small part which is immediately, glaringly obvious, just so that you can maybe accept that we know why we are not engaging with the OP: When Ben talks about the Atlas system, he is not criticising sustain. He is criticising how tedious it is to set up your atlas for efficient farming strategies. The OP is actually so far behind on that subject, that his only comprehension of endgame mapping is "do not run the maps with unfavourable mods". He is basically at the beginning of endgame, leveraging criticism on someone who is so far above him that what he is saying is unfathomable to him. Ben is NOT talking about Alch and go, but that is all the OP understands because that's the level he has reached. He is talking about searching the atlas for efficient tower placements for tablet setups, with good map layouts around them, and good waystones on top, which is extremely tedious indeed compared to setting up your farming in PoE1. Love the games. PoE1 way more so than PoE2, but still enjoying both. Hate the company. The scummy, lying, fake and shitty facade, the excuses, the failures, and most of all, the "Vision". Keep both of those in mind when reading my posts. Last edited by PrimordialDarkness#3913 on Jan 29, 2025, 10:31:35 PM
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