Water Hag is ANTI-FUN in hardcore. My only gameplay complaint after 500+ hours of PoE 2

SSF normal (no HC)

I agree.. IMO, facing one single hag is not much an issue.. but a hasted hag or two normal ones amidst a mob (often those fast crawlers) is way harder then it should.. 3 hags or a hasted rare? thats certain death with now much it spams you with their wirlpool-wirlpool-Orb routine.. and considering they have the same range as the cultists pre-balance, hitting you from off screen, they are beyound annoying.

that water hag, I hope, must be next on the balance board for GGG.. lower the range, space out the "magic" or add a lesser ranged attack in between.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

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RamenL#4657 wrote:

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

Drowning orbs ....


Dont stand in them.


They are bright blue...

The mob that makes them has bright blue hands....

The mob that makes them often casts the maelstroms BEFORE the drowning orb.



Melee here, dont have an issue with them. Died to it in the campaign on my first playthrough, but thats it.

ur in standard league man. This is a hardcore issue, not a standard issue. And you clearly didnt read my points on this issue. In softcore its easy to just 1 shot everything so these orbs dont even exist. In hardcore it's a whole different world since you have to prioritize tank stats so your dps is cut and you can't just trade 1 div to fully gear you to kill t15s like u can in softcore. Why are you posting in feedback for a different game mode than you play. That's just weirrdd and wrong man.. it really is two different games not trying to be mean. Also, what is your post even??? You didnt address one key point I made, you just posted saying "dont stand in them they are bright blue" I'm a lv 90+ hardcore gamer, you think I dont know that??

in softcore you build different, it's a totally different experience.

It doesnt matter what league you play the mob behaves the same.

You have to be more careful sure, but my post is highlighting just how easy it is to not die to these things.

it does matter. I play softcore as well. I dont mind them in softcore, never even notice them because can build full dps and kill entire screen in softcore. See you dont understand because you don't play the game mode. Again you didnt even address a single one of my key points.

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Zebak#3076 wrote:

SSF normal (no HC)

I agree.. IMO, facing one single hag is not much an issue.. but a hasted hag or two normal ones amidst a mob (often those fast crawlers) is way harder then it should.. 3 hags or a hasted rare? thats certain death with now much it spams you with their wirlpool-wirlpool-Orb routine.. and considering they have the same range as the cultists pre-balance, hitting you from off screen, they are beyound annoying.

that water hag, I hope, must be next on the balance board for GGG.. lower the range, space out the "magic" or add a lesser ranged attack in between.

yup and this is just ONE of the issues, there is a lot more. Look at some of the stupid deaths on youtube. I can only find stupid deaths related to water hags, every other deaths I see is deserved. Waterhag is only issue in HC. dont even forget about waystones with attacksp

to be honest, that's amazing for early access, just gotta make sure they fix this and game would be PEAK

i earned the right to do t16 maps with minus resists and as much increase dmg as possible in hardcore. Then die to a t12 map I'm trynna play relaxed in. Silly, no reward for my hardwork if a random mob in any zone can have a 1hko mechanic. My character is impeccable and killed pinaccle bosses, why is a river hag mob off my screenstronger than anything. I had one of the strongest chars, was prepared to make a youtube vid/guide, only was lv 92 because busy IRL and shiet and it took long to convince my IRL friends to come to hardcore and I had to play softcore with them, but next season I'ma go for top 10 whether this is fixed or not. But it should be fixed because it's anti-fun.

I will have to play ranged char and hyper focus for 1 specific mechanic every map. No one wants to do that, it takes way from the fun actual real challenges in hardcore

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RamenL#4657 wrote:

it does matter. I play softcore as well. I dont mind them in softcore, never even notice them because can build full dps and kill entire screen in softcore. See you dont understand because you don't play the game mode. Again you didnt even address a single one of my key points.

You can keep repeating this. The mobs mechanic is not to stand in the blue sphere.


You seem to think that because someone is in a different league than you they cant explode the screen?

The most popular streamers that play this game as a career are playing these builds.

You have also made the assumption I play these builds too.

I do not, I play rolling slam, resonating shield and bonshatter on SSF. The screen cant explode much less anything further than a few meters away from me.


You have managed twice now to not recognize the water hags and their drowning orbs have no bearing on what mode you play.

You have also made assumptions about what I play based on the league I play or my playstyle based on the league I play.

I suggest you play a different mode as it seems you struggle with basic mechanics of the game as is.

HC is meant to test experienced players, not new ones.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

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RamenL#4657 wrote:

it does matter. I play softcore as well. I dont mind them in softcore, never even notice them because can build full dps and kill entire screen in softcore. See you dont understand because you don't play the game mode. Again you didnt even address a single one of my key points.

You can keep repeating this. The mobs mechanic is not to stand in the blue sphere.


You seem to think that because someone is in a different league than you they cant explode the screen?

The most popular streamers that play this game as a career are playing these builds.

You have also made the assumption I play these builds too.

I do not, I play rolling slam, resonating shield and bonshatter on SSF. The screen cant explode much less anything further than a few meters away from me.


You have managed twice now to not recognize the water hags and their drowning orbs have no bearing on what mode you play.

You have also made assumptions about what I play based on the league I play or my playstyle based on the league I play. I have

I suggest you play a different mode as it seems you struggle with basic mechanics of the game as is.

HC is meant to test experienced players, not new ones.

First this isn't about me. This is about feedback to make HC game mode better lil bro. Stop making shiet personal. You dont understand because if you die it doesn't matter so you dont have to constantly unfun- worry about a shitty mechanic and possible deaths to visual bugs or bs situations caused by a shitty mechanic thats unavoidable regardless of skill in a skill based game mode. And you clearly can't comprehend this because you arent in hardcore.

Second - I am the experience player you are talking about. I have 1k+ divs in hardcore, my character was stronger than any character you ever seen by any streamer if you calculate dps and tankyness together. I beat all the pinnacles. so I BEAT HARDCORE and I am waiting for the first season at this point. There is nothing left for me to do. Except provide feedback as I am supposed to in early access, which is what this thread is. I'm providing feedback on the only bad mechanic for hardcore so when game full releases and there is more content for me to beat again, this unfun mechanic is resolved..

Third - why are you saying im struggling when i'm not i'm confused..?? i literally beat hardcore.. no one said I'm struggling. YOU CLEARLY DIDNT READ MY POST BECAUSE I SAID I BEAT THE PINNACLE BOSSES. I'm saying its a mechanic that takes away from fun because you have to occupy your thought with it every single map, same thing over and over in hardcore. And it leads to scenarios where you will die no matter what - eventually, if you're lucky, maybe never, if you're unlucky, it can happen as soon as lv 70. I dont understand how you don't understand what I'm saying.

you literally are responding without reading any posts it's clear you didnt read the first post. You literally read the title and just came here to post bright blue bubble. You are obviously baiting and its failing, you will not bait me.

again, I haven't met a hardcore player that disagrees with me, and by time I do it will now be 100-1. But every single softcore char disagrees, I find that so funny. Humanity has gone so far down. Disagreeing with an entire playerbase on something they haven't played.. How messed up in the head do you have to be to do that.. Lacking of critical thinking because school doesn't teach it anymore..

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RamenL#4657 wrote:

First this isn't about me. This is about feedback to make HC game mode better lil bro. Stop making shiet personal. You dont understand because if you die it doesn't matter so you dont have to constantly unfun- worry about a shitty mechanic and possible deaths to visual bugs or bs situations caused by a shitty mechanic thats unavoidable regardless of skill in a skill based game mode. And you clearly can't comprehend this because you arent in hardcore.

Its a mechanic you dont stand in, like anything. Drowing orbs are easy to not stand in. With an easy tell, muliple of them.

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RamenL#4657 wrote:

Second - I am the experience player you are talking about. I have 1k+ divs in hardcore, my character was stronger than any character you ever seen by any streamer if you calculate dps and tankyness together. I beat all the pinnacles. so I BEAT HARDCORE and I am waiting for the first season at this point. There is nothing left for me to do. Except provide feedback as I am supposed to in early access, which is what this thread is. I'm providing feedback on the only bad mechanic for hardcore so when game full releases and there is more content for me to beat again, this unfun mechanic is resolved..

Lmfao

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RamenL#4657 wrote:

Third - why are you saying im struggling when i'm not i'm confused..?? i literally beat hardcore.. no one said I'm struggling. YOU CLEARLY DIDNT READ MY POST BECAUSE I SAID I BEAT THE PINNACLE BOSSES. I'm saying its a mechanic that takes away from fun because you have to occupy your thought with it every single map, same thing over and over in hardcore. And it leads to scenarios where you will die no matter what - eventually, if you're lucky, maybe never, if you're unlucky, it can happen as soon as lv 70. I dont understand how you don't understand what I'm saying.

Because you are making a post about a mechanic this is easy to see, easy to counterplay, easy to hear, and easy in general; it only oneshots you if you stand in it for ~3 seconds.

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RamenL#4657 wrote:

you literally are responding without reading any posts it's clear you didnt read the first post. You literally read the title and just came here to post bright blue bubble. You are obviously baiting and its failing, you will not bait me.

Not bait, re read what you post. not my fault you dont read what you post and then say "well you're not HC so you wouldnt understand"

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RamenL#4657 wrote:

again, I haven't met a hardcore player that disagrees with me, and by time I do it will now be 100-1. But every single softcore char disagrees, I find that so funny.

Congratz. I havent met anyone that says they enjoy death. Should we remove that from the game?

"want a challenge" but is playing in trade league lmao. It's just so funny to me.

I cant even respond to this guy because he makes no points against my point. He's just here to throw comments and try to bait me.. How is this guy not banned from forum.

keeps saying ~3 seconds. Didn't read that there is youtube vids of people dying in .5 seconds or less. Keep saying skill issue, didnt read I beat all the pinnacle bosses. ignoring the fact i'm saying you get put in situations you die no matter what sometimes, and that graphical glitches can cause them to not be seen. Literally how do people like this exist. This is an anti-fun mechanic in hardcore game mode. You haven't played hardcore you just keep saying just dodge - in my game mode it doesn't bother me. YOu dont have to think about it because if you die in your game mode you won't care. The scenarios where it kills you no matter what, you may not have run into yet because they are rare. No matter what you say, I'm not responding to you anymore. You're childish, your comments lack critical thought and constructive critism and proper references.

im in trade league to help my friends who I had to convince to play hardcore. I geared them all up : )

and then after I beat the pinnacles, I sold my good pieces for fun to see how many divs I can get. Yes I got 1k+ :)

I'm not here to play SSF and show off on leaderboard in early access. I will on full release tho!!

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RamenL#4657 wrote:

I cant even respond to this guy because he makes no points against my point. He's just here to throw comments and try to bait me.. How is this guy not banned from forum.

keeps saying ~3 seconds. Didn't read that there is youtube vids of people dying in .5 seconds or less. Keep saying skill issue, didnt read I beat all the pinnacle bosses. ignoring the fact i'm saying you get put in situations you die no matter what sometimes, and that graphical glitches can cause them to not be seen. Literally how do people like this exist. This is an anti-fun mechanic in hardcore game mode. You haven't played hardcore you just keep saying just dodge - in my game mode it doesn't bother me. YOu dont have to think about it because if you die in your game mode you won't care. The scenarios where it kills you no matter what, you may not have run into yet because they are rare. No matter what you say, I'm not responding to you anymore. You're childish, your comments lack critical thought and constructive critism and proper references.

Maybe you are not hardcore enough.