We need to raise our voices for Auction House system

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Dxt44#4050 wrote:

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Mordgier#6997 wrote:

Then post anything besides "Diablo 3"

This isn't about Diablo 3.

The AH in Diablo 3 wasn't even bad - itemization was. The AH ended up the only way to actually get any gear at all - and with $ - because anything worth selling sold for $ - because obviously right? Why would you sell a fancy ring for game currency rather than $50?

That's a unique issue to how the AH was setup in D3 and had NOTHING to do with the AH itself.

Why are you quoting me? You again speak with yourself. Dude, stop, take some break

Nah dude - why should I stop posting and quoting your drivel?

auction house sucks

i do not want poe2s end game to be a trade simulator

i would rather trade be limited in argps as much as possible

trading just makes everyone to broken to fast

and i def dont want players to be able to give gear to other players, even via guild stashes or anything like that

it just makes loot hunting pointless

i dont want full ssf for everyone.. but i do want as little trading as possible and i dont want it to be the idea way of getting gear. it negates the entire point of playing these games

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Mordgier#6997 wrote:

I'd be happy to have you list the 'problems' the AH would add.

You're more than welcome to post the "manifesto" if you like, but then you'd also have to read through the pages where it's been beaten to death for how wrong it was....

I am in the pro-AH camp...

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BrainVs#6980 wrote:

i do not want poe2s end game to be a trade simulator

i would rather trade be limited in argps as much as possible

trading just makes everyone to broken to fast

and i def dont want players to be able to give gear to other players, even via guild stashes or anything like that

it just makes loot hunting pointless

i dont want full ssf for everyone.. but i do want as little trading as possible and i dont want it to be the idea way of getting gear. it negates the entire point of playing these games

Too late, it has been a trade simulator for a decade.

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maquino85#7657 wrote:

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zergy_eggy#4745 wrote:

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Mordgier#6997 wrote:

Good deals on trades are already sniped by API bots.

An AH isn't going to create any problems that don't already exist.

They will solve the problem of thousands of fake lowball listings that are there just to trap newbies into underpricing their wares.

It's not going to create a new problem, but it will make the existing problem worse by speeding up the amount of trades that can happen at any given time.

You forgot to add "I assume, because I have absolutely zero evidence that backs up my claim" to your statement.

This is something said by GGG in their trade manifesto, not me. But you wouldn't know that because you never read it. So I guess you are accusing GGG of making that claim without evidence because you think they don't have access to any metrics in their own game?

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Mordgier#6997 wrote:

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zergy_eggy#4745 wrote:

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Mordgier#6997 wrote:

Good deals on trades are already sniped by API bots.

An AH isn't going to create any problems that don't already exist.

They will solve the problem of thousands of fake lowball listings that are there just to trap newbies into underpricing their wares.

It's not going to create a new problem, but it will make the existing problem worse by speeding up the amount of trades that can happen at any given time.

Great - what is the existing problem since we agree that it's not the AH.

Lets solve that?

If you have a solution for bots, let us know.

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BrainVs#6980 wrote:

i do not want poe2s end game to be a trade simulator

i would rather trade be limited in argps as much as possible

trading just makes everyone to broken to fast

and i def dont want players to be able to give gear to other players, even via guild stashes or anything like that

it just makes loot hunting pointless

i dont want full ssf for everyone.. but i do want as little trading as possible and i dont want it to be the idea way of getting gear. it negates the entire point of playing these games

These games have been trading games since the Diablo 2 era.

Trading is a core functionality that is needed to turn great drops that you find but are useless to you into good drops for your character.

That's it. That's all it does.

It doesn't magically make you powerful because you're not going to get those perfect item for 1 ach shard. You still have to go out and get loot yourself - you can just now actually sell it without being online 24/7 and dealing with price fixers and lowballers.

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zergy_eggy#4745 wrote:

If you have a solution for bots, let us know.

Captchas exist and are in use in other AH systems.

Next.

A other GREAT example of why we NEED a AH.

I wanted to buy a ring. Got like 10 ppl whispered for a offer (because you need to do plenty of ppl or you ain't getting sh*t whit the current system). I get a whisper back. I think it's the 25 ex guy. So i trade him 25 ex for the ring. In like 3 sec i notice its actually 29ex for this guy. So a add the 4 extra ex.

I get called a scammer and all kinds of things with the end being now "get ignored as well". So this a hole of a guy. And i am gone name drop "ThisNameWasTakenn" just got angry for a simple mistake i corrected in like 3 sec. No one is trying to scam you in a trade YOU can see and count if it is correct!

With a AH this kind of a holes are a thing of the past and we can just buy stuff without this thing happening.

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zergy_eggy#4745 wrote:

If you have a solution for bots, let us know.

Make it so that the cost of gold is high but not insane, it's why we have a gold based bulk item exchange, as a way to block out bots who only get through killing the first boss in act 1.

Also I think we are getting an AH eventually based on what Jonathan said in an interview the Ziz in Feb of last year. He said POE would need to get with the times regarding LE's auction house and I agree. The issue they had was with items and how they are itemized, but at the moment we don't have a very complex system as we do in POE1, so I think they could implement it in POE2 and then backport it to POE1 if it's successful.

Edit to add:
Here's the clip for context https://youtu.be/RskRFwgoQ5g?si=2wsS7LTDXHSfttKM&t=6696