PSA on Quarter Staves...

Just gonna share my 2 quarterstaves, both are "crafted" through very very painful process of looting every single quarterstaves, filling my 2 quad tabs, reforging again and again, praying I hit the correct combination, praying I hit the dead mods with chaos orb and rerolled it into correct one. And I "made" these on SSF. I sincerely hate PoE 2 "crafting".

Dire Weaver is hot but damn that accuracy mod must infuriate you everytime you look at it lol.

Shameless bump to hopefully get more eyes on this :D

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lunaticwoda#2453 wrote:

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The_Song#4903 wrote:

It's almost as though physical monk and elemental monk are two different builds that want two very different looking quarterstaffs.

Sooner or later I'll make an invoker doing an elemental build, and want all kinds of elemental gain on my weapon.
Right now my only monk is an Acolyte who doesn't want any elemental affixes whatsoever, and does not use any of the elemental quarterstaff skills.

heres the thing though. As a monk you will have Elemental damage +% in your tree.

No, I won't.
My phsyical/Chaos damage Acolyte monk does not have any element damage selected anywhere in the leveling of his passive tree.
Nor will I have any on my weapon, my rings, my amulets, or any other part of my loadout.
Heck I used Nazir's Judgement all the way into cruel difficulty before I bothered to replace it with a better rare.

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lunaticwoda#2453 wrote:

Dire Weaver is hot but damn that accuracy mod must infuriate you everytime you look at it lol.

i think theres bits of the mod system and how the affixes work together thats not being fully realised.


that accuracy is part of the hybrid % physical roll. you cant have 223% physical without having accuracy because it takes 2 physical rolls, the normal phys roll and the hybrid phys + accuracy roll.

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Phys %
Flat Light
EWDA
Attack Speed
Crit damage
+ Melee

i can guarantee you this is wrong. you dont want phys % with flat lightning, you either want to go all in on phys or go for elemental.


the reason iron runes are rubbish on the staves you linked is because they dont have flat physical damage on them, like 25-45 physical damage.

that flat phys gets added to the base phys of the staff and is then multiplied by the % physical damage from the prefixes and the iron runes. if you use the iron runes and get % physical damage on your staff but you dont have the flat physical you are getting a big multiplier without having anything to multiply.





this is an elemental weapon in poe1. if you are going flat elemental you go all in flat elemental.



thats a physical weapon. if you are going for any physical you go all physical because the mods multiply each other.


the % elemental damage with attacks mods in the sockets are global, they are not buffing the base damage of the staff, they are additive with all the stuff on your tree etc. the iron runes are actually local to the weapon and are buffing your weapons base damage directly, its just you need to feed them the flat physical damage worth multiplying in the first place.

anywhere you see a proper physical weapon it will have phys %, flat physical and accuracy because its a combo of 3 mods

% increased physical damage
% increased physical damage / accuracy
adds #-# physical damage





you can go either way, if youre going phys go all in phys, if youre going flat elemental then ignore phys all together and just stack the flat ele mods at which point for sure do not use iron runes, use those elemental damage with attacks runes. theyre global afaik not local but its a lot of %.

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Snorkle_uk#0761 wrote:

the % elemental damage with attacks mods in the sockets are global, they are not buffing the base damage of the staff, they are additive with all the stuff on your tree etc. the iron runes are actually local to the weapon and are buffing your weapons base damage directly, its just you need to feed them the flat physical damage worth multiplying in the first place.

This is exactly the reason why Iron is inferior you contradicted yourself a lot but the key point is THAT is why elm damage on attacks is superior on Monk quarterstaff builds

i didnt contradict myself. if you think i did theres something you are not understanding.


iron is not inferior, its situational depending on the mods you have on your staff and the passives you have on your tree and your other gear. they multiply the flat physical damage on your staff which provides the base physical damage your attacks deal. the elemental mods are just global % damage, same as you get on your tree. this means the more of it you have on your tree the less meaningful getting it on your weapon is. but if your weapon doesnt have significant flat physical damage for the iron runes to multiply then you are left with no choice but to add a lot of global % elemental. providing you are using elemental attacks.

But thats the point, the Pure Phys is not superior because almost every monk will have + elly damage and/or + lightning / ice damage. The Elm damage on attack cores will scale far better. I have the rough napkin math on page one showing this. And between the 2 weapons the phys weapon peak is over 400 with a DPS of like 570 AND 2 added melee levels vs the staff with 440 ish dps and 2 fewer levels and claps it in real world damage.

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lunaticwoda#2453 wrote:

But thats the point, the Pure Phys is not superior because almost every monk will have + elly damage and/or + lightning / ice damage. The Elm damage on attack cores will scale far better. I have the rough napkin math on page one showing this. And between the 2 weapons the phys weapon peak is over 400 with a DPS of like 570 AND 2 added melee levels vs the staff with 440 ish dps and 2 fewer levels and claps it in real world damage.

your math is based on 2 extremely suboptimally rolled staves. your math also cannot be complete and applicable to all monks because you do not know how much % increased damage they have on their tree. the elemental cores you are putting into your staff is additive with all your other global % damage, you would need to know the full passive tree and gearing of a character to work out how the ele cores would effect total damage vs the physical runes which are not global damage, they are multiplying base damage, which is something completely different.