Why POE2 is dying

I disagree on removing xp on death, Like the majority of players could care less on hitting 100 lol, Diablo 2 had that, That's more for people being competitive on ladders.

Also, Crafting is a bit boring. Maps feel meh I never find anything so the magic find needs to go for sure. But I never found anything in Diablo 2 with a crap ton of magic find xD.

Idk I feel like you just want Diablo 4 easy and gets boring. This game is alot more fun than Diablo 4 and Diablo 3. I honestly dont want to even mention these games because they are bad.

Its early access, if you bored go play something else until they bring more fixes etc.

Id rather give feedback and help them than rush like blizzard does and make a horriable game.

PoE 2 is best game Ive played in awhile.

Are there things I dislike ofcourse. Trials being one of them I just dont think a rng honor system belongs in a game like this. It is not fun period. Maybe for some but not the majority of people. I dont want it to be easy just not so rng. I also dont want to farm for relics to just get honor resistance. Hope they change or remove it.

It is what it is though only thing we can do is offer our feedback, If they listen, +1 if not oh well.
Last edited by R3Funded#5006 on Dec 26, 2024, 1:12:30 PM
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R3Funded#5006 wrote:
I disagree on removing xp on death, Like the majority of players could care less on hitting 100 lol, Diablo 2 had that, That's more for people being competitive on ladders.



The only people who care about that are people who need some excuse for why they cant finish the campaign
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Nyon#6673 wrote:

No your deffinetly just coping.
Es requires little to no investment as is.
And any build thats currently not using es can with little investment swap to es and see a minimum of doubling your effective health pool. Thats why its so easy to spot its not balanced.

And if the only solution would be to buff life/armor with no nerfs to es then we would see characters running around with 15k hp and the game would become trivial.


I'm sorry but this just isn't based in reality....both the "little investment swap", as well as what happens with buffs. I don't exactly believe that you have your own opinion, because the way you are talking is from someone with little experience in both life and ES builds. Someone watched a video and is now repeating false claims here on the forum.

Also....we know its not balanced. I literally said exactly that. And so did the other dude. But your solution is the exact opposite approach that should be taken, and your "descriptions" of the issue are nearly all false hyperbole.
Starting anew....with PoE 2
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Nyon#6673 wrote:

No your deffinetly just coping.
Es requires little to no investment as is.
And any build thats currently not using es can with little investment swap to es and see a minimum of doubling your effective health pool. Thats why its so easy to spot its not balanced.

And if the only solution would be to buff life/armor with no nerfs to es then we would see characters running around with 15k hp and the game would become trivial.


I'm sorry but this just isn't based in reality....both the "little investment swap", as well as what happens with buffs. I don't exactly believe that you have your own opinion, because the way you are talking is from someone with little experience in both life and ES builds. Someone watched a video and is now repeating false claims here on the forum.

Also....we know its not balanced. I literally said exactly that. And so did the other dude. But your solution is the exact opposite approach that should be taken, and your "descriptions" of the issue are nearly all false hyperbole.


My solution would be to nerf es and buff life until their at an equal level.

While your solution is just to buff life until its op aswell so the game can stay easy for you.

Instead of just repeating yourself maybe you can point out where this heavy investment comes from?

Respeccing your tree costs almost nothing now. And becsuse of the massive amount of players trying to corrupt es bases for tripple sockets you can buy a 700+ es chest for almost nothing, which is where the majority of your base es comes from.

I know this because i originally was atacking armor until i realised it was completetly useless, and with almost no investment i could change 2-3 gear pieces and respec some nodes and my effective life pool litterally went 2-3x
Meanwhile my pure meele worst ascendancy 89 chonk with 2k HP 50% armor and 0 eva es farming casually for fun both trials
Last edited by RhetorrusInvirius#6036 on Dec 26, 2024, 1:16:34 PM
True lol
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eldheim#2436 wrote:
Yes. It is dying. Can it come back? Sure!

Does that mean GGG shouldn't deeply care why hundreds of thousands of players that paid for access are quitting?
Of course not.

Disclaimer:

I already know a few elite GGG bootlickers will spam this comment section telling me I don't understand charts or numbers, that its "normal", or "everything is fine", or "play something else -stop whining".
Let them. It's all they do, all the time, and we can't stop it.


Firstly I'd like to say there are lots of positives about POE2, and it could have a decent foundation for a great game in the future. I'm not here to talk about those, however.

Problems:
1. Ascendancies are bottlenecked behind bad mechanics and RNG
2. Crafting is meaningless and random
3. Magic find ruined the economy completely, you are now either rich or poor
4. Maps and areas are way too big
5. Melee is dead, it feels clonky, bad, slow, and punishing
6. T1-T10 maps feels pointless and has little or no rewards
7. Endgame is a one-shot fest unless you run a meta 15k energy shield build
8. Armor is effectively pointless when it comes to mitigate dying
9. Building life builds are punished heavily, ES builds rewarded heavily
10. Build diversity bricked due to all the problems above
11. Campaign too long to incentivize multiple runs/leagues for most people
12. Death penalties makes no sense in normal game mode
13. Bosses too scarce in endgame

My conclusion? The game was dropped at least 6 months prematurely. A closed beta until mid 2025 should have been done. But that ship sailed.

Fast fixes:
Release ascendancy points throughout the campaign for now. Incentivize most players possible to engage with and try the content for EA purposes, and work towards a FAIR and non-RNG based trial with the full release.

Make exalted orbs the most common currency. It will still make crafting pure chance, but until the whole system is reworked, at least people will have a chance of trying to craft items. It is dead as of now.

Armor scaling have to flatly mitigate damage -but cap the total max mitigation. At least until you can fine-tune the balance. As of now armor builds are dead.

Increase animation time and attack speed of most warrior skills by a lot. At least until armor and life builds are fixed to become ACTUALLY tanky.

The passive tree have about 50 energy shield nodes and 3 life nodes. Considering life builds are the common melee characters, this is literally opposite of what would seem normal. I'm not even sure there is an easy fix here.

Remove XP penalty on death. This is a no brainer. Getting to 100 is hard enough as is. At least until all content is balanced. Stop the 1 death map bricking too. It makes no sense for a normal game mode.

Make teleportation map markers in maps too, until you can scale them better.
All maps should have a boss -bosses are among the best features of POE2, don't remove them from players.

Remove all magic find on gear, and boost MF with 50% as base.

Reward players for doing T1-T10 maps much better. Increase drop rates, increase waystones. Make it much easier to get 4 and 5 linked skills, at least in EA where you would think GGG want to playtest as much as possible.

You could do all this fairly easily and the overall experience for 90% of the player base would be better.
YES, I know there are some elite get good gamers that don't wont anyone but them to enjoy the game, but give them ruthless mode, and we can stop having to argue with them all the time.

What I would do?
Announce a rollback and restart servers 1. February. Until then, remove death penalties, give out ascendancy points in campaign, and increase drops by at least 100%.Let players go bananas for a month, really trying out builds and the full extent of the game.
GGG buys themselves a full month to dig deeper into fixing more problems, while making the game accessible until then.


This would bring back so many. We are at an inflection point right now. If nothing changes the ones who support the game. Will leave as well. I did not say all but I am saying if you are happy with a game that may have as many players as Forge league had, it's far short of the game's potential and the blocks you have put in place are huge.

I agree with everything in this post and would add if Party play does not receive the Quant and rarity nerf it deserves and should have had for a decade + in PoE. Party play gets Quantity and rarity boost per player. It is just hidden and I'm sure you know why...

I also would add I think by allowing the selling of Sekhema's for ascendancy points is a big detriment to the game. When 10%+ of the players spend so many of their hard earned currency in game to get certain things completed league after league and you don't see an issue with that I am willing to bet it's your league starting strategy.


The fix is simple.

Do not allow things the players need to be traded for like Sekhema - Tune it right. Without applying this method you're leaving broken mechanics in this PoE 1 port and I wonder if you can even fix them.

2) Create a new site and sell everything found in the currency tab and sell it for real money endorsed by GGG.

Let me close with this. DO you think the wondertrap boots that roll 5-15% Should corrupt into 20% Movespeed with 60% rarity for low life builds. I happen to own that pair. They can roll even better I know it. Unscalable value.... My CI gets 60% rarity all the time on the penalized movespeed boots for being unique. To bad the guy didn't use an artificers... LOL
One sad Exile
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Unrayy#5939 wrote:
Campaign Maps in PoE1 weren't as big and we also had quicksilver flasks to help "zoom" thru them.


Speed boost outside of combat would help and wouldn't require any itemization changes.



It would be a bandaid. Speed boost outside combat would help a little, but combat is almost a permanent situation, we just ignore the mobs after learn the routes.

Give players more speed isn't equal to reduce the map sizes. Reducing the map sizes would help a lot in mob density, making the maps feel alive and packed without be tiring/boresom.

The Towers maps for example - instead of having seven or eight plateaus, they would have 1 central plateau and 5 minor plateus around with one of them at random have the ladders to claim the Tower.


Downsizing the maps are much better/long term healthy for replaybility than give players generic speed boosts.

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Fhrek#4437 wrote:

It would be a bandaid. Speed boost outside combat would help a little, but combat is almost a permanent situation, we just ignore the mobs after learn the routes.

Give players more speed isn't equal to reduce the map sizes. Reducing the map sizes would help a lot in mob density, making the maps feel alive and packed without be tiring/boresom.

The Towers maps for example - instead of having seven or eight plateaus, they would have 1 central plateau and 5 minor plateus around with one of them at random have the ladders to claim the Tower.


Downsizing the maps are much better/long term healthy for replaybility than give players generic speed boosts.



Sure, but making tiles for maps with the quality of PoE 2's is an enourmous amount of work and throwing away all the work that's been done on the current map tiles is probably not financially viable (for now). A bandaid solution is just what is needed.

Also, running past the mobs might have been the norm in PoE 1, but why should that be the intended way to play. That just means those mobs are pointless anyway. If there's enemies on the map, they should be there for a reason.
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Also, running past the mobs might have been the norm in PoE 1, but why should that be the intended way to play. That just means those mobs are pointless anyway. If there's enemies on the map, they should be there for a reason.



First playthrough is fine, learn the game, the story, the lore, flower sniffing, kill every mob... after dozens and thousands of playthroughs each new league reset killing mobs becomes a chore.


Most mobs are pointless, if it isn't a blue, yellow or Unique with time it is just cannon fodder that can be ignored in the campaign.

Maps are other history, because those mobs are the bulk of the EXP farming.

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