POE 2: Class Gender Lock is a Step Backwards

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JeansJoe#2224 wrote:

But most Diablo 3 players have their opinions on this choice and that should tell you how important a choice it was for them.

I played that pile of live money auction house filth. The gender choices mattered as little as they did here. Once my character was armored out, I couldn't tell the difference unless they spoke. Then I'd mute voices anyways cause the same 5 dialogue lines get annoying.

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

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kuciol#0426 wrote:

Counter point to your whole essey is very simple. Why bother adding such option if in the end it doesnt matter? I would call that waste of resources for something that doesnt add anything of value. The potential gains are negligible.

That is so narrow minded like actually most of these posts. What do you even mean by "matter"? I assume you mean, that it doesnt matter for the gameplay. Then you are right. But guess what, the whole monetarization of POE and the reason we still have this game is based on things that do not "matter" by your definition: MTX.

So, by another definition, i would say, everything that gives us, the players, a great experience while playing does matter. And in this meaning it matters to a lot of people, maybe not to you and not to a lot of other people that feel the urgent need to say it out loud in this post but at some point you have to accept the fact, that there are people with different opinions than yours.

Your definition is the narrow one. Having gender selectio by your own admission doesnt matter to both story and gameplay. Just because you want it doesnt mean its needed. Its design decision and its not yours to make. There is nothing to be gained by having such option besides cattering to very few that for some reason need it. Would it hurt to have it? No. Does the game need it? Also no.

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Necrotekk#4404 wrote:

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

...but at some point you have to accept the fact, that there are people with different opinions than yours.

You might want to take your own advice here. The simple fact is, it costs more money, regardless of how much, to do what you want. Does it justify the cost to GGG? To you, maybe, to the majority, based on this thread, and the fact this topic seems to come up rarely, look like a no. I'd rather them take the small, or large, sum it would take to do what you want, and add content to the game that is played, not looked at for 5s before I cover it up and forget my character isn't a celestial godsent being here to decimate legions of mindless fodder.

Who are you to decide if it justifies the costs? do you know how much it costs? As i said earlier GGG will decide but what you guys dont understand is that someone opened up a topic to let GGG know they would like this feature and that is fine. Therefore it is not necessary to flood this topic by people who do not want the feature. You also do not understand that people who care about small things like character gender are more likely to care about MTX and therefore are the people to finance the game.

And to make it clear to you again: I do not say it is worth it or it is not. I have no idea as you do not have, too. But i am not making assumptions. And there is a qualitative difference between expressing a wish like the Topic owner did and the wish that these get not fulfilled just because you personally do not care about it.

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kuciol#0426 wrote:

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

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kuciol#0426 wrote:

Counter point to your whole essey is very simple. Why bother adding such option if in the end it doesnt matter? I would call that waste of resources for something that doesnt add anything of value. The potential gains are negligible.

That is so narrow minded like actually most of these posts. What do you even mean by "matter"? I assume you mean, that it doesnt matter for the gameplay. Then you are right. But guess what, the whole monetarization of POE and the reason we still have this game is based on things that do not "matter" by your definition: MTX.

So, by another definition, i would say, everything that gives us, the players, a great experience while playing does matter. And in this meaning it matters to a lot of people, maybe not to you and not to a lot of other people that feel the urgent need to say it out loud in this post but at some point you have to accept the fact, that there are people with different opinions than yours.

Your definition is the narrow one. Having gender selectio by your own admission doesnt matter to both story and gameplay. Just because you want it doesnt mean its needed. Its design decision and its not yours to make. There is nothing to be gained by having such option besides cattering to very few that for some reason need it. Would it hurt to have it? No. Does the game need it? Also no.

Obviously you did not understand the words i have written down. I said literally that i agree that it doesnt matter for the gameplay. Read again, i offered you a different definition.
I also never said it is me to make the decision and i also never said that it is needed. These are things you make up so you can pretend to have a counterargument while you are actually not reacting to anything i just said.

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

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Necrotekk#4404 wrote:

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

...but at some point you have to accept the fact, that there are people with different opinions than yours.

You might want to take your own advice here. The simple fact is, it costs more money, regardless of how much, to do what you want. Does it justify the cost to GGG? To you, maybe, to the majority, based on this thread, and the fact this topic seems to come up rarely, look like a no. I'd rather them take the small, or large, sum it would take to do what you want, and add content to the game that is played, not looked at for 5s before I cover it up and forget my character isn't a celestial godsent being here to decimate legions of mindless fodder.

Who are you to decide if it justifies the costs? do you know how much it costs? As i said earlier GGG will decide but what you guys dont understand is that someone opened up a topic to let GGG know they would like this feature and that is fine. Therefore it is not necessary to flood this topic by people who do not want the feature. You also do not understand that people who care about small things like character gender are more likely to care about MTX and therefore are the people to finance the game.

And to make it clear to you again: I do not say it is worth it or it is not. I have no idea as you do not have, too. But i am not making assumptions. And there is a qualitative difference between expressing a wish like the Topic owner did and the wish that these get not fulfilled just because you personally do not care about it.

Chill. the whoel problem was the sentence.. "steb back" As soon as that was written the whole post was put outside POE context (because that was never a feature of POE) and was thrown in a political context. You could nto expect anythign else other than backslash.

It doesn't matter what language people use to request gender selection in the game. The same people make the same foul arguments every time, and accuse everyone else of Being Political over it. Because apparently people can complain endlessly over every other 'design decision' Grinding Gear makes, but this one specific one is off limits.

It's honestly super scummy.

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

Obviously you did not understand the words i have written down. I said literally that i agree that it doesnt matter for the gameplay. Read again, i offered you a different definition.
I also never said it is me to make the decision and i also never said that it is needed. These are things you make up so you can pretend to have a counterargument while you are actually not reacting to anything i just said.

When i I say "you" i mean people advocating for such option, i thought its obvious. You also try to narrow down to single things my "definition". My point is its irrelevant not only for gameplay but the whole game in general. Its useless cosmetic change that GGG cant even monetize so its a loss for them without anything to be gained. Is that clear enough? The fact is its GGG design decision to make. It doesnt make the game worse in any way. Its just different approach to storytelling.

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

Chill. the whoel problem was the sentence.. "steb back" As soon as that was written the whole post was put outside POE context (because that was never a feature of POE) and was thrown in a political context. You could nto expect anythign else other than backslash.

Everytime, without fail, these types of threads start with some virtue signaling bs or some type of derogatory or inflamatory conversation starter of how we "need" this thing and it's bad that it's not alredy there. Always. And then there's backlash because duh and go on a whole brain gymnastics on how "they" are the ones being bullied.

I'm sure the meaning is long forgotten to some people but this is an Action Role Playing Game, role playing in the setting GGG made, not the setting anyone else thinks it should be because of "Modern Tendencies TM" or whatever other bs metric that a games needs to "conform" to. Period.

wouldve loved to have a female mercenary - for more D3 demon hunter vibes
it is kinda disapointing but not really that big of a deal

that accent on a male tho is gonna be an aquired taste for me lol
its well done and all but im really not a fan

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

Who are you to decide if it justifies the costs? do you know how much it costs?

Doesn't matter how much it costs, as it costs more than 0. There is no magic enable gender switch, thus the time and money is objectively spent better elsewhere since I don't see anyone not playing/supporting the game due to this. The amount isn't worth noting, it's more than 0, thus that time and money can be better spent elsewhere.

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

As i said earlier GGG will decide but what you guys dont understand is that someone opened up a topic to let GGG know they would like this feature and that is fine.

When you open a topic, on a PUBLIC forum, it's almost like you're inviting discussion, good or bad, about said topic. If they don't want any feedback, or opinions, probably better to make a email to GGG themselves huh?

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

Therefore it is not necessary to flood this topic by people who do not want the feature.

This entire thread isn't necessary, they did it cause they wanted to, such as I am replying to it, because I want to. Public forums are real hard for people to understand.

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

You also do not understand that people who care about small things like character gender are more likely to care about MTX and therefore are the people to finance the game.

That's a broad assumption as it seems like tons of people here with tons of supporter packs under their name, don't care. The evidence in this thread alone is against this statement.

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

But i am not making assumptions.

The above was an assumption, you have no facts to prove it. Sheesh.

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FipsDieGrille#2655 wrote:

And there is a qualitative difference between expressing a wish like the Topic owner did and the wish that these get not fulfilled just because you personally do not care about it.

Yet again, public forums. Almost like the whole point is discussion, good or bad. In fact, their statement, is a negative opinion. They are stating the game is worse off for it, so I guess we're not allowed to post unless we agree? Weird place public forums are.