PoE2: One death in map and its bricked.

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

Maybe the best perspective to take is to just accept its a new game and not try to force poe1 ideology on poe2.

It’s a sequel (originally an expansion but that didn’t work out) so some ideology has to by definition carry over, but you’re right not all.
Imo the one death and bricked map is a step too far for default softcore, it would make a superb additional optional (like ssf) mod to softcore.

This was kinda hinted by recent league mechanics such as Sanctum, or Settlers bosses, or Affliction boss (King of the Mists) - or the wildwood in general, if you die you're ejected from it.

They don't want you to build cheesy ZHP blasters and roll in currency despite having 1876 deaths after 30 hours of playing.

Whether this is good or not will depend on overall mapping design and averge time to kill for mobs. If a random rare can coconut-bonk you in one hit then it will feel horrible. But if characters have reasonable amount of durability then it could actually be OK and a deterrent from pushing the content too far and creating degenerate strategies.

Today it's "T17 or bust" with T17 being too hard for almost all builds except those very endgame and minmaxed. POE 2 wants to move away from this.

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Esubane#6099 wrote:

Today it's "T17 or bust" with T17 being too hard for almost all builds except those very endgame and minmaxed. POE 2 wants to move away from this.

If anything it looks more like that PoE2 goes more into this direction to make endgame more targeted towards well geared characters rather than the no thoughts head empty mediocre builds giving that both endgame maps and pinnacle/uber content are going to be one try only instead of a corpse rush feste.

If anything not having a decent designed character along with bad gameplay coming from the player itself is going to be more notable at the beginning of PoE2.
Especially as the new content is going to be somewhat on par with the accessible player power rather than being totally trivialized by years of stacked and layered power creep like in PoE1.

They only need to figure out a way to get rid of carry services to make the game even more bonkers :)

It's totally fine to me as the atlas is supposed to be infinite. If that is the case, just move on if you can't do it. What is the big deal?

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

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Esubane#6099 wrote:

Today it's "T17 or bust" with T17 being too hard for almost all builds except those very endgame and minmaxed. POE 2 wants to move away from this.

If anything it looks more like that PoE2 goes more into this direction to make endgame more targeted towards well geared characters rather than the no thoughts head empty mediocre builds giving that both endgame maps and pinnacle/uber content are going to be one try only instead of a corpse rush feste.

If anything not having a decent designed character along with bad gameplay coming from the player itself is going to be more notable at the beginning of PoE2.
Especially as the new content is going to be somewhat on par with the accessible player power rather than being totally trivialized by years of stacked and layered power creep like in PoE1.

They only need to figure out a way to get rid of carry services to make the game even more bonkers :)

I think from what we have seen PoE2 will be a lot more difficult to make insane ‘broken’ builds, would go as far as to say that’s the whole point of Early Access to weed out anything that ‘broken’.
The ‘get rid of carry services’ I think will be dealt with by the new way extra players add to difficulty (before 2 players was 200% hp and iirc 50% more loot, now it’s more like estimated 300% hp, maybe some increased dmg received and maybe 100% more loot), this should make group player more challenging and rewarding but carries way way more difficult.

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BlueSkyWhiteSands#7725 wrote:

It's totally fine to me as the atlas is supposed to be infinite. If that is the case, just move on if you can't do it. What is the big deal?

Technically the atlas has always been ‘infinite’ in that you (once you were sustaining maps) could just keep going as long as you liked. What’s changed is now it’s infinite variation of maps and the combination of content/rewards in them.
The problem is the change from some tolerance to mistakes to no tolerance at all, which whilst not hardcore is a step in that direction. As a selectable choice I’d be excited, as a default in softcore (the intended for new/casual players) it’s imo wrong.

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Esubane#6099 wrote:

This was kinda hinted by recent league mechanics such as Sanctum, or Settlers bosses, or Affliction boss (King of the Mists) - or the wildwood in general, if you die you're ejected from it.

They don't want you to build cheesy ZHP blasters and roll in currency despite having 1876 deaths after 30 hours of playing.

Whether this is good or not will depend on overall mapping design and averge time to kill for mobs. If a random rare can coconut-bonk you in one hit then it will feel horrible. But if characters have reasonable amount of durability then it could actually be OK and a deterrent from pushing the content too far and creating degenerate strategies.

Today it's "T17 or bust" with T17 being too hard for almost all builds except those very endgame and minmaxed. POE 2 wants to move away from this.

There are certain league mechanics where it has been a thing and it’s been fine as it suits that league, even been fine to maintain that if a league goes core as it was.
Having this methodology as a default forced softcore thing (one death solo and bricked map) isn’t right imo.
Have it as an opt in added difficulty (like ssf is) and I’d probably pick it myself and enjoy, forced upon me and I am unhappy (understatement).

We have seen too many times mobs that can off screen you (playing the settlers necro event and ‘kiloava’ mobs will do it like crazy) by design, others that do it because of limitations to the old poe1 engine (mobs are either inert till you engage them which it used to be or can potentially off screen you as it has been for a year or so). Poe 2 may not have them now, but they will 100% show up eventually (might be during EA or 3 years from now) and this one portal will then be a huge liability.

Sorry got to 100% disagree with your t17 synopsis. In 3,25 I played a league starter from day one until I quit after 40 challenges, it was far from minmax’d but did 250% t17 quite easily but not always without a death (hence why I hate this poe2 one portal idea). I just picked a starter that I knew with time would scale to that ability.

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Esubane#6099 wrote:

Today it's "T17 or bust" with T17 being too hard for almost all builds except those very endgame and minmaxed. POE 2 wants to move away from this.

Not even remotely true...

43/138 by the way OP

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

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Esubane#6099 wrote:

Today it's "T17 or bust" with T17 being too hard for almost all builds except those very endgame and minmaxed. POE 2 wants to move away from this.

Not even remotely true...

43/138 by the way OP

Agreed on first point as per my last reply.

I think I know what you mean by your second point, and yep you are not wrong and I am just trying to be proactive and reply to those who make good points where I can :)

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Timbo Zero#8289 wrote:

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BlueSkyWhiteSands#7725 wrote:

It's totally fine to me as the atlas is supposed to be infinite. If that is the case, just move on if you can't do it. What is the big deal?

Technically the atlas has always been ‘infinite’ in that you (once you were sustaining maps) could just keep going as long as you liked. What’s changed is now it’s infinite variation of maps and the combination of content/rewards in them.
The problem is the change from some tolerance to mistakes to no tolerance at all, which whilst not hardcore is a step in that direction. As a selectable choice I’d be excited, as a default in softcore (the intended for new/casual players) it’s imo wrong.

Nah poe1 atlas isn't infinite. Of course you can do maps as long as you like, but you have to do some sort of rotation if you want to spawn Maven or any of the other bosses, like Sirius, Elder or Shaper, so you are forced to do certain maps. We don't know if that's the case in poe2, I have doubts.
Also, there is some misconception among players who think they miss on important loot if they don't do 100% of a map. I am pretty sure that for technical reasons, that is, to save computational power, loot is created only at the moment you kill a monster. Therefore, if you don't finish a map, you lose on nothing (except if you invested currency into it). This might even be beneficial for many players to not waste too much time on content they are not ready for.
Personally I don't think it matters too much, and therefore I like the new system more. Simply because it gives you more the feeling of exploration and progress, instead of limitation and repetition.