T17 once again are ruining this league can GGG just discard t17 concept?
" Here is what I do whenever I look at a build I might find interesting: 1. Strip all items I cannot 100% guaranteed acquire within 1 week and replace those items with something I can acquire. 2. Check the numbers. Is the defense still ok, is the dmg still there? If not, that build is dead to me and Ill move on to the next. There are a ton of bad bait builds out there, no doubt. Fully decked out they will destroy everything. But if you cant get there, thats useless. So you either move on or you have another build in mind with the same baseclass and a similar tree that can get you there. If thats the case, then you use that build to farm the stuff you need and respec later. Even if you have such a build in mind, you still need to do a sanity check. Lets assume for the sake of the argument the build in question needs mageblood, progenesis and nimis to function and lets estimate the marketvalue of those 3 items at 500 divines total. Can you farm that in a realistic timeframe? If not, move on. And even if you can, thats just 3 items. What about the rest? Can you farm that too? Dont ever follow anything blindly without a sanity check. The build might be the best ever created, doesnt mean you can do it. |
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The fact you thought straight copy and paste without understanding anything is fascinating to me.
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They feel fine now, must have been nerfed quite a bit, but dunno the difference did not play last league, just from people complaining i say that...
I rolled ele res and energy shield on Abo, so boss fight took way to long, but no rips. Also petrified statues kind of annoying but if you just jump around still fine... My first experience with t17 was eater ballz. I will roll over that mod from now on for sure, they were quite buggy, or absolute grief as intentended maybe, but this was more than fine...70ish div investment in my build. If you can't farm that in one-two weeks or so then what are you doing?... Just don't worry what others do, if they play t17 after 3 days in the league good for them... Only reason i played them now and not before is, i wanted to be lvl 100 for once, but thats just a bit more mana and one extra random jewel, that does not make the difference. But, if i can play a map like this with zero rips everybody can, just maybe don't go in there with 50% spell suppression and 4k life pool^^... |
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Last league when they were introduced they were absolutely insanely hard, everyone even those at the top end didn't like them, they could do them ok, but they were using mirror tier gear.
The supposed bridge to uber bosses was anything but, uber's were easier by a country mile. To some extent that is still the case, ubers are still largely easier but T17s are much more manageable now, other than the requirement to spend dozens of chaos rolling them, not because the mods are hard, they are just annoying. Last edited by MadMossy#1934 on Aug 19, 2024, 11:07:03 AM
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t17 is all about rolling the right map mods. i didnt think how much they mattered because map mods in t16 dont matter at all. if reflect doesnt bother you, you can throw a vaal orb on any rare map and run it blindly. but in t17 even 1 bad mod can ruin your time and 2 or more can brick the map for you. with the right map mods t17 can be easy. i even did a couple deathless now.
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" And what is a good player for you? Someone who can play 20h/7d? Because honestly that's the only thing that stops casuals from farming t17, the fact that they can't spend 20h a day to maintain this farm. There are simple builds that cross these maps in seconds. Yes, GGG emptied the drop of everything else, guardians and pinnacles are useless, as well as their fragments, everything is now hidden behind the "uber content" to the point that the very purpose of the 4 awakenings becomes useless because there's no point in making all the maps t16 anymore, if the farm only exists in t17, even with 8 extremely cadaverous mods a t16 has half the item quantity of a t17 and EVERYONE KNOWS that since Ultimatum the game's farm only exists with this parameter. As I said, my problem with t17 is that it is a facilitator for streamers and for the 0.01% who no longer want some random guy dropping magblood or having to buy invitations or fragments from casual people. t17 is the great rifit of PoE. Soon it will suck in the rest of the players, who are already regressing to just meta builds, and I say more, this has not happened yet because the t17 drop is garbage. The moment GGG makes this drop constant, EVERYTHING IN THE GAME will be reduced to the t17 meta build. This is terrible because POE differs from Diablo or LE by allowing farming where you have the most fun, since the last league this no longer exists. |
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" Sorry to disappoint you, but spending 20h/day will not make you a good player, nor spending 100 divines. Good player playing 2h per day will finish campaign and clear t17 within first week of the league, without the need of 100div items, not even 10divs. Thesis that all loot was moved to t17/ubers and t16 are empty is just silly. I get quite a lot of divs worth of loot per t16 map, and I think Empy made quite a lot of vids about farming strategies (I'm not sure tho, as I rarely watch yt/streamers). Its just FOMO talking. Adjust your expectations according to your knowledge and effort, as they seems to be way off. But if you think you will enjoy Diablo more, go for it. You will have plenty of great loot, level 100, and farm ubers. Probably even on day one. Biggest compliments for my crafted items - "bs, they must have been RMT'ed" I'm disabled, I have rare case of semperduravera, so I can write things that may look rude, but it is because of disability - I'm forced to tell truth using words you may not like. Last edited by Nomancs#6176 on Aug 19, 2024, 2:56:52 PM
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The entitlement of people who want concepts, strategies, maps, items, etc, removed from a game because they're not within their grasp... And I see those same people making comparisons to diablo littered here and it baffles me. Do these people know that there were only two-three builds in the entirety of D2 that could clear ubers? The market for all of the torches and annihilus charms was cornered by these builds. There were many builds that could barely farm final areas of hell difficulty because that content was gated behind damage-type checks. To put this in perspective for you, my perfect-gear, lightning sorc with griffons and perfect infinity merc cannot do any uber content. Arguably the most expensive build in the game with the highest damage but it cannot do any uber content.
If your build cannot clear specific content, then make a new one with the currency generated with your first build. Expecting a league starter to also be able to farm the hardest content is foolhardy and basically a noob-trap. I honestly wish this game had much harder content. Not that the whole game was played in ruthless mode, but that there were maps all the way up to t20, etc. Being carried is a concept that used to just be accepted as something you needed if you wanted to take advantage of the keys/portals you acquired. I'm struggling to come up with new goals to keep me playing this game. Last edited by hmcg020#6029 on Aug 19, 2024, 3:56:37 PM
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I lost a multi-mirror AG last league to DD in a T17, which soured me to the point I still mostly don't feel like bothering with them. Also, rolling T17 maps still feels like a chore and I just kinda tap out after a few minutes of it lol. I played heist mostly this league before eventually burning out.
Seems like the most profitable trade league activities are heist, sanctum, and T17. All of these are boredom inducing for me (for T17 it's the map rolling). It's cool though. There's other stuff. |
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They just killed their game with the release of T17
We need to roll this 150-200 times to get profit. What a ridiculous trash 90% players in this game cant do full complete lol. For whom this shit ? I dont wanna sit in HO and spam chaoses to t17 thats not normal And OP have a point. U farming t17 or u lose 70% currency in a game They just try to kill POE1 for making some traffic in part 2 |
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