T17 once again are ruining this league can GGG just discard t17 concept?

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Scarletsword wrote:

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TeresaTomastiko wrote:

i dont think so
t17 strongboxes n scarabs is the only one profit farm in the game right now
How its can be better then early?

This is wrong.

Here's a list of some things you can do instead that have the same or higher profit:
- Pandemonium for uniques or fractured bases.
- Bloodlines+Nemeses with high currency/scarab rolls (very popular on the chinese realms).
- Risk bossrushing to guarantee a second fragment.
- Risk packsize Alvas with currency beyond (this is mine and I've had maps where 5 valdo boxes would drop, it averages out to 7-8d per map).

And there's a lot more you can do especially when you include stuff outside of T17s.

Strongboxes only have two advantages. They are very easy to do and if you plan on running hundreds of maps you have the chance of big ticket cards. With the current prices it pulls less on average than bossrushing.

How does the last one work? Been a little slow with the t17 farm strats (I play d4 with my spouse on their times off haha). I'm guessing you're just boosting packs with packsize scarabs/pack size nodes and it makes alva missions loot pinatas? That actually sounds like fun. Edit: nevermind I think I found it. Took a bit of digging.
edit 2: what a night and day difference holy shit. I'm not sure why it rains puzzle boxes but I'll take it. Even works when I'm farming 8 mod strands for t17s. Really glad too because I have never liked strongboxesz lmao

Also jumping on the "this is wrong" bandwagon too, I don't play as much and even I know strongbox isn't the only viable strat lol, only doing it because I haven't really tried others yet.
Another good one is farming 8 mod maps in t17s and bulk selling them all. I personally don't care for bulk selling myself so I don't do it.

I did ONE whole-ass T17 to unlock the map slot. Made hundreds of divines daily doing my own thing (scarab farming in T16s mostly). Plenty of ways to get rich this league. One thing that WONT make you rich though, is blaming a meta strat for your inability to adapt.

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TeresaTomastiko wrote:

Lol dude ur a farm-strategy creator or what? OFC players copy most popular strategies and its ok

ill trying a lot strategies in SOK and no one more profitable then t17 strongboxes. Thats just a fact bro

Let me know when you can provide the actual strategy you talk about so much.

I fully understand it, run it, build at least two mirror or more characters a league and think T17s are still hot garbage. They limit build diversity as opposed to the hard stop of T16 which we have had for years. They are zero fun to engage in.

From rolling, running etc. Not one aspect is FUN. It's a chore but it is so much more rewarding than T16s for a lot of league mechanics, not all. If you don't enjoy the few that are not just hands and fist better in T17 then gl.

I don't care if Ben and all the other streamers get bored after two weeks. That is on them for playing so much. Why ruin the game for the remaining 95% of the player base that is not skipping the grind with their CC then brag on the forums that the game is too easy?

They should have just been bosses. Killing a T16 map boss has a chance to drop frags to do the T17 boss, they drop uber frags. Finally, a reason to kill bosses again in lower tier maps and could even make it two frag chance if you have cleared 90% of the map before doing the boss.

T17 maps are just plain annoying. They aren't even difficult unless you go with 100% deli + titanic scarabs and shit like that, they are just annoying. The process of rolling them is an annoyance and it's forced upon you by annoying map mods. Even if we discard the buildbricking stuff for a moment there is a whole bunch of mods solely designed to annoy the hell out of the player without providing any sort of difficulty.

To give a prime example. Yesterday i decided to finish the 250% quant t17 map challenge for the 3 layouts i had left out so far. My last one was a Abomination map with temporal chains, grasping vines, action speed reduction per skill used and no damage for 3 seconds every ten seconds. The map had no damage mods whatsoever. Just annoying shit like this. Difficulty level was non existant. Nothing in that map could have ever hoped to kill me unless maybe if i went afk during the boss fight.
I decided to run it anyway because i wanted to get it over with with the challenge and i had unstoppable anyway but under normal circumstances that map would be a 100% reroll for me and likely most other people because of the sheer annoyance it poses. No sane person would want to run that if they can help it.

Thankfully fomo was never an issue for me and if faustus goes core i'll be able to run uber bosses even without farming t17 so it's kinda whatever to me what happens with them down the line. But it's by far the most unfun content in the game right now.

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rembihnutur wrote:

Edit: nevermind I think I found it. Took a bit of digging.
edit 2: what a night and day difference holy shit. I'm not sure why it rains puzzle boxes but I'll take it. Even works when I'm farming 8 mod strands for t17s. Really glad too because I have never liked strongboxesz lmao

err could you provide a link or something? would love a decent alva strat for when i need to build temples. If its too powerful for public knowledge pm me instead ;)


and at the topic, outside of those timewaste thingies in t17 (dealing no damage, area block through exploding fiends, hundreds of after death effects) its fine i guess?

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tsunamikun wrote:

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rembihnutur wrote:

Edit: nevermind I think I found it. Took a bit of digging.
edit 2: what a night and day difference holy shit. I'm not sure why it rains puzzle boxes but I'll take it. Even works when I'm farming 8 mod strands for t17s. Really glad too because I have never liked strongboxesz lmao

err could you provide a link or something? would love a decent alva strat for when i need to build temples.

This is one variation of it but you won't build many useful temples with it. It's more focused on global loot. You can juggle some passive points around, add blight to it, blue altars instead of red or more scarab nodes, whatever fits your build.

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tsunamikun wrote:

If its too powerful for public knowledge pm me instead ;)

Public knowledge for main content is never the issue. People were so set on strongboxes being the only viable strategy or the objectively dumb comments along the lines of "scarabs are never worth using in T16s", sharing anything was immediately met with negativity or even insults and that is usually a good way to get people to stop posting guides or information.
The only thing people generally share very little information on is anything related to Valdo maps (non-void) as no strategy comes even close in regards to profitability.

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Scarletsword wrote:

This is one variation of it but you won't build many useful temples with it. It's more focused on global loot. You can juggle some passive points around, add blight to it, blue altars instead of red or more scarab nodes, whatever fits your build.

Strategy

Reference video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8YQ7_ojt8U
Personal tree/version: https://poeplanner.com/a/OAg

Device: Beyond
Scarabs really depend on your build: Bloodlines + Lineage + 3x Risk or Bloodlines + Lineage + Hordes + 2x Wisps/Champions
Chisel: Packsize is the best but currency works as well.
Deli: At least 60%, preferably 80%.
Layout: Fortress, Sanctuary if you have enough speed to do incursions at the very end.
Additional info: Roll maps for at least 50 but preferably 70% packsize and high %currency+%scarab. It really depends on how much time you want to invest on rolling them. Never click the rituals unless you get a wildwood or nameless ritual to spawn.
General idea: Lots of packsize => lots of natural monsters with shrines and rituals => lots of altars

Public knowledge for main content is never the issue. People were so set on strongboxes being the only viable strategy or the objectively dumb comments along the lines of "scarabs are never worth using in T16s", sharing anything was immediately met with negativity or even insults and that is usually a good way to get people to stop posting guides or information.
The only thing people generally share very little information on is anything related to Valdo maps (non-void) as no strategy comes even close in regards to profitability.

Thanks, only need to redistribute 8 points to get the important nodes, i think i will manage. Thanks for sharing this ;)

And yeah, never understood that negativity concerning farms, you would think them being happy getting a choice instead of playing one thing over and over.

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tsunamikun wrote:

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rembihnutur wrote:

Edit: nevermind I think I found it. Took a bit of digging.
edit 2: what a night and day difference holy shit. I'm not sure why it rains puzzle boxes but I'll take it. Even works when I'm farming 8 mod strands for t17s. Really glad too because I have never liked strongboxesz lmao

err could you provide a link or something? would love a decent alva strat for when i need to build temples. If its too powerful for public knowledge pm me instead ;)


and at the topic, outside of those timewaste thingies in t17 (dealing no damage, area block through exploding fiends, hundreds of after death effects) its fine i guess?

This is the alva strat I use. I have since dropped the single extra point in harvest, but other than that remains unchanged.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3579729

T17 are trash.
You cant even apologize for them .
Just One shot character bricking lazy garbage.
Im not one of the bruise kneed fanboys who disregard anything as long as there is a big enough shiny at the finish line.

I zoned into 4 jumping giant goats.
with 3 of the gorgon birds that paralyze you .
and 2 Prison Bosses with the circular impale spears ..
and who knows how many other mobs ..

I have my resists lowered
Im cursed Im well who cares ...
At this point it doesnt matter.

How lazy.

The concept ... just randomly throw crippling build breaking debuffs on the player.

Throw random numbers of the most annoying bosses from lower tier maps all over the place.

No shortage of the Arch Nemesis mobs as far as the eye can see.

It all lazy trash game play.
Its a spectacle, like a joke or amusement.
Except it isn't. Its supposed to be top tier game play.
I literally laughed out loud after the first death .. 20 seconds in the door.
And logged out, im in no hurry to go back.

trash