Retaliation just saved Melee MEGA BIG TIME

Melee was looking pretty mid, just 3.24 again.
But these retaliation and exertion gems are way too imbalanced. Like very seriously imbalanced.

Using one Warcry would make the overexertion gem be a contender for a slot, but 18% PER warcry is so strong that there probably is not a single stronger non-build-enabling support gem in game in any form.
It's 65% more damage per average 3 warcry build, but no reason to stop there.

Quick PoB looks that a 50 divine 6L Ground slam + 6L Crushing Fist is going to one shot everything except Uber Pinnacle bosses. Uber Pinnacle bosses can be one shot if "triple damage" procs.

You can get block cap with 3 passives + Glancing Blow with a 25% implicit block War Staff.

Getting a block off of any boss is not hard either - just go melee range and the odds of getting hit at least once with 75% block chance is about 95%.

Not to mention you can use multiple retaliation skills.

You can't exert retaliation skills, reason = no fun

You've just killed melee. Shame on you

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

Quick PoB looks that a 50 divine 6L Ground slam + 6L Crushing Fist is going to one shot everything except Uber Pinnacle bosses. Uber Pinnacle bosses can be one shot if "triple damage" procs.

On softcore without defences?

how can it saves anything, experts say update 100% suck

and we already knew lvl 1 value of eviscarate
674% compared to lacerate 171% ratio 3.9
now we have lvl 20 1374 compared to lacerate 393 ratio 3.41

and the exertion supp was already extremely strong lvl 1.
melee phys supp for instance starts at 30 and goes up to 54 + intimidate with the awakened version so, doubling from lvl 1


those news media outlet experts are really quick to change for no reason. or maybe they were wroong

The joke is, that molten strike of zenith's fifth magma ball deals more damage than these silly retaliation skills. 1 single ball (2 in crushing fist's case).

Imo, people are baiting themselves super hard with these new gems.

Also, the whole conditional (after block) use case screams of one thing to me: Crazy abuse of AHK and other button pressing macros just to make the whole concept feel less clunky.

Amazing how many bait posts comes from a single account.

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gabpla111 wrote:

Crazy abuse of AHK

The game is barely playable without it. This "vision" from 90's and game design based on it is so stale as rotten egg. You just don't have a choice.

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Goshiebobo wrote:

You can't exert retaliation skills, reason = no fun

You don't have to. A good Ground Slam build right now can reach 15M damage per hit without warcries. Now disable range, 5x the hit damage and enable warcries, cull etc. for the Slam. 100-150M damage per both attacks in 1-2 seconds.

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

Disagree. Plenty of instances where Block does nothing for you. And so the skill won't be usable.

Not a single endgame boss has a non-invulnerable phase where you cannot get hit by an attack.

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cursorTarget wrote:

On softcore without defences?

You can maybe even play on it in a few days :)

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

Disagree. Plenty of instances where Block does nothing for you. And so the skill won't be usable.

Not a single endgame boss has a non-invulnerable phase where you cannot get hit by an attack.

I was mainly talking about DoTs. When Shaper does his beam, you cannot use this attack. When the Plaza boss does her beam, you cannot use this attack. When Sirus does his beam rota, you cannot use this attack. Etc. etc.

Nice on paper, not so much in practice. A lesson many have yet to learn.

And because of Shaper's beam you think Spell block also sucks? LOL, no.

You want to know why Sirus beam doesn't matter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rw5JXcTmOQ

This clip pretty much 1 to 1 demonstrates what happens with slams now as well.

You can proc the retaliation blows super easily. Not only half the bosses have ads which can proc it, it's incredibly easy as playing in melee is how you should play bosses anyways, as it stops them from using their stronger spells.