RUTHLESS

I mean we don't know what it is beyond the description of Extreme Item Scarcity so there at least seems to be more than just that to amp up the difficulty, probably bigger modifiers to the enemies.

That said, I suppose the question is if these enemies even have interesting mechanics baked into them, or is it just going to be an overwhelming numbers game the way you end up with archnemesis mods currently buffed to high heavens with interactions to map mods (e.g. hasted and maps with attack / cast speed buffs further buffed by atlas passives of 2% buff to normal map mods). And whether they'd still end up cluttering the screen with enemies.

I will try it out but we will see if I'll stick around. Items will be a lot scarcer but currency as well, so prices will be similar to normal leagues. You will be rich if you gathered 10 chaos.

It does split the HC playerbase even more. HC Trade and SSF will lose a lot of players, especially SSF since Ruthless will be the new bragging mode. I hope they get a different global chat, so I don't have to hear all the trash talk.

Maybe Ruthless should have been a special mode as private league?

Loot based game without loot. Identity crisis as such?

Given the implicit solo nature of ssf, I don't see the difference between there being 10 and three hundred thousand people playing it.

And trade HC is already kind of dead, so I don't see it mattering there either.

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Xyel wrote:

Given the implicit solo nature of ssf, I don't see the difference between there being 10 and three hundred thousand people playing it.

And trade HC is already kind of dead, so I don't see it mattering there either.

Why would I support a game which treats HC Trade like trash? No point in supporting anymore.

RUTHLESS will be the perfect word to describe the next league player retention.

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Reinhart wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

Given the implicit solo nature of ssf, I don't see the difference between there being 10 and three hundred thousand people playing it.

And trade HC is already kind of dead, so I don't see it mattering there either.

Why would I support a game which treats HC Trade like trash? No point in supporting anymore.

I mean it doesn't treat it like trash, it treats it like HC trade and the playerbase treats it like trash.

My guess is that they'll use the alpha test of ruthless to determine if the "unlucky" roll modifier (i.e. roll X times, pick worst outcome) should be applied to hit and damage rolls as well as loot rolls.

I don't really see much development time going into ruthless. All they have to do is apply unlucky on all rolls and voila - hard mode.

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gandhar0 wrote:

One thing people are ignoring are the NPC vendors which can help a lot to compensate for less dropped loot.
Capping resists is relatively easy even with less loot. Alira + res rings from vendors.
Or if still bad resists one can use Purity of Elements as a temporary crutch. So yeah capping resists is still not a problem if people go for it.

5+ link damage i agree but 4 links are often sold by vendors so leveling in campaign should be nearly as smooth as before.


Maybe i'm totaly wrong and vendors and their offered items are disabled but i see no clues that triple G will go down this route.

I remember CW saying in the first HM interview, there there will be no crafting bench in the HO. That might not be true anymore, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ruthless mode goes along the lines of:
-no crafting bench
-no vendor recipes
-no gem vendors

Or something along those lines.

HC trade isn't dead yet its fine for the first 3-4 weeks its kinda how they want trade to be, removing more players from it is a problem though.

That being said HC in general has really dropped in viability as a game mode already I would think we aren't too long from everyone being HCSSF or back to SC which is a shame.

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j33bus wrote:

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Reinhart wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

Given the implicit solo nature of ssf, I don't see the difference between there being 10 and three hundred thousand people playing it.

And trade HC is already kind of dead, so I don't see it mattering there either.

Why would I support a game which treats HC Trade like trash? No point in supporting anymore.

I mean it doesn't treat it like trash, it treats it like HC trade and the playerbase treats it like trash.

True but everytime something harder is introduced, all previous content/modes is being shat upon. If Ruthless will be the true Hardcore mode then why was original Hardcore introduced in 2003? What is GGG's intention with regular Hardcore? Maybe regular Hardcore should become Ruthless? If GGG introduces Masochistic mode, what will happen with Ruthless?