Time Capsule from PoE Closed Beta -- a classic PoE vs D3 thread circa 2012

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Disillusioned wrote:

Another user on a forum basically said that Blizzard took the Skill Tree common to Diablo 2, disassembled it, and placed the bonuses you would have gotten from that on gear found with these rare affixes.

He then concluded that this was simply guiding players to the RMAH in order to maximize their skills effectiveness and indulge in their preferred playstyles.


I agree with that tremendously. Face it: WoW is beginning to die out. Blizzard needs a new way to make money. Can't do it off of Starcraft aside from releasing campaigns/expansions but you can get away with it in Diablo since the game is commonly made to be all about the gear.

With this knowledge of having the players encouraged to buy from the RMAH, you're going to have to also semi-gamble that you didn't just spend money on armour to enhance your primary skill only to have it nerfed in a patch the following week. Playing around with in-game currency such as gold is one thing, but toying with real cash is going to cause a potentially huge public backlash.

You do realise that the auction house will barely make blizzard any money compared to other assets right? That makes this whole 'analysis' incredibly flawed.

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Nolimitation wrote:

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Disillusioned wrote:

you're going to have to also semi-gamble that you didn't just spend money on armour to enhance your primary skill only to have it nerfed in a patch the following week.

This is one of the many MANY potential legal and ethical problems with RMAH in D3. I can just see the lawsuits bringing blizzard to the ground.

@OP, Great post and I agree 100%. This game is everything D2 players wanted out of D3.

Screw that piece of garbage D3 game. They have ruined the Diablo series with their stupid wow development influenced decisions.

It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who's play Wow for years and seen the dump they've taken on that game.

The worst part about D3, is they've had almost 14 years to develop that game, and it will be released WITHOUT PVP

Blizzard will NOT receive a dime more ever of my money. I can only hope many others will feel the same way when D3 is released and they realize what a pile of dung D3 is.

Haha, sorry but you guys are being silly right here.
You're saying the RMAH allows you to 'buy something that then gets nerfed, essentially reducing it's value.' right?
Hmm, where do we also see this? Oh, right:
The stock market.
Well, I guess everyone there is performing unethical and illegal actions, huh.

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Tagek wrote:

You do realise that the auction house barely makes blizzard any money compared to other assets right? That makes this whole 'analysis' incredibly flawed.

Implement RMHA is very expensive process, and they had a lot of problems with different countries. They would not implement it if it would not bring them good income (maybe not as much as wow, but still enough). The only reason for RMHA is blizz income, that will be high enough for all the troubles they went through.

Blizzard is in problems because of WoW is dying. After they fired a lot of people, part of them were programmers or worked on games (about 10%), and few people leaving blizzard (in end of 2011 year, or on begining of this year, not sure when) releasing d3 with a lot of features that are not implemented as intended, people can clearly see that somthing is not going good. Even my local IT newspapers made a few concern coments about blizzard.

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Ragnar119 wrote:

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Tagek wrote:

You do realise that the auction house barely makes blizzard any money compared to other assets right? That makes this whole 'analysis' incredibly flawed.

Implement RMHA is very expensive process, and they had a lot of problems with different countries. They would not implement it if it would not bring them good income (maybe not as much as wow, but still enough). The only reason for RMHA is blizz income, that will be high enough for all the troubles they went through.

Blizzard is in problems because of WoW is dying. After they fired a lot of people, part of them were programmers or worked on games (about 10%), and few people leaving blizzard (in end of 2011 year, or on begining of this year, not sure when) releasing d3 with a lot of features that are not implemented as intended, people can clearly see that somthing is not going good. Even my local IT newspapers made a few concern coments about blizzard.

First of all you need to understand that blizzard makes more money off of world of warcraft than most companies make on all their games (given for how long it has been runnning) combined.

The reason they made the RMAH is to stop illegal, unfair, and scam heavy goldfarmers from having their way.
Also, the nature of the system combined with high posting fees makes it so that it will primarily be used for high-end items. This results in a very low amount of transactions when compared to the in-game auction house.

The conclusion is: The amount of money they will make from this is nowhere near compareable to the profit of games, or their world of warcraft subscriptions.
Sure, they'll make a relatively good percentual profit out of it, but compared to their total income it will be a near negligable amount.

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Tagek wrote:

The reason they made the RMAH is to stop illegal, unfair, and scam heavy goldfarmers from having their way.
The nature of the system combined with high posting fees make it so that it will primarily be used for high-end items. This results in a very low amount of transactions when compared to the in-game auction house.

This is not correct. Primary purpose is to get blizz income. They earn a lot of money from wow and other games, but they will also earn from this and that is the only purpose. Any type of profit is a good profit, no matter how low it is compared to their other incomes.

High posting fees makes it only that other sites will sell items again as in d2. RMHA doesn't stop illegal farming, no lowers it. It doesn't do anything for normal players, except make it easier for some to sell and buy.

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Ragnar119 wrote:

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Tagek wrote:

The reason they made the RMAH is to stop illegal, unfair, and scam heavy goldfarmers from having their way.
The nature of the system combined with high posting fees make it so that it will primarily be used for high-end items. This results in a very low amount of transactions when compared to the in-game auction house.

This is not correct. Primary purpose is to get blizz income. They earn a lot of money from wow and other games, but they will also earn from this and that is the only purpose. Any type of profit is a good profit, no matter how low it is compared to their other incomes.

High posting fees makes it only that other sites will sell items again as in d2. RMHA doesn't stop illegal farming, no lowers it. It doesn't do anything for normal players, except make it easier for some to sell and buy.

Oh, so you attended their staff meetings about this subject then? Please, stop acting like you are some allmighty god who knows their reasoning behind their ideas. For the petty profit they will make off of it it wouldn't even be worth their time to set it up if it was just for the money. You are using incredibly flawed logic. Why aren't all companies in the world also selling large amounts of their products to third world companies?
Because even though it still brings them a profit, the time and money spent on making it happen would benefit them more if spent differently.

And no, ofcourse other sites won't sell high end items.
They can try, but since auction houses are driven by players, following basic logic their prices will always be lower than stores, simply because players dictate the price and not companies.
Any goldfarmer would be a fool to spend so much time and effort on farming products not a single person is going to buy, because they are far cheaper on the auction house.

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Tagek wrote:

Oh, so you attended their staff meetings about this subject then? Please, stop acting like you are some allmighty god who knows their reasoning behind their ideas. For the petty profit they will make off of it it wouldn't even be worth their time to set it up if it was just for the money. You are using incredibly flawed logic. Why aren't all companies in the world also selling large amounts of their products to third world companies?
Because even though it still brings them a profit, the time and money spent making it happen would benefit them more if spent differntly.

And no, ofcourse other sites won't sell high end items.
They can try, but since auction houses are driven by players, following basic logic their prices will always be lower than stores, simply because players dictate the price and not companies.
Any goldfarmer would be a fool to spend so much time and effort on farming products not a single person is going to buy, because they are far cheaper on the auction house.

I dont attend they staff, but use simple logic. If they would not get any good income, they would not implement it to take money from it. If they take money, they take it because it will earn the money.
Petty profit? Are you god? A blizz fanboy? They dont make a RMHA that will not bring them good profit because to make it costs a lot of time and money.

Other sites sell high end items because they are same as auction haus. The sites are also driven by players that sell items. But it is cheaper to sell on sites because blizz doesn't take % from items sold on them, and there is no limit on how much you can sell for free.

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Ragnar119 wrote:

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Tagek wrote:

Oh, so you attended their staff meetings about this subject then? Please, stop acting like you are some allmighty god who knows their reasoning behind their ideas. For the petty profit they will make off of it it wouldn't even be worth their time to set it up if it was just for the money. You are using incredibly flawed logic. Why aren't all companies in the world also selling large amounts of their products to third world companies?
Because even though it still brings them a profit, the time and money spent making it happen would benefit them more if spent differntly.

And no, ofcourse other sites won't sell high end items.
They can try, but since auction houses are driven by players, following basic logic their prices will always be lower than stores, simply because players dictate the price and not companies.
Any goldfarmer would be a fool to spend so much time and effort on farming products not a single person is going to buy, because they are far cheaper on the auction house.

I dont attend they staff, but use simple logic. If they would not get any good income, they would not implement it to take money from it. If they take money, they take it because it will earn the money.
Petty profit? Are you god? A blizz fanboy? They dont make a RMHA that will not bring them good profit because to make it costs a lot of time and money.

Other sites sell high end items because they are same as auction haus. The sites are also driven by players that sell items. But it is cheaper to sell on sites because blizz doesn't take % from items sold on them, and there is no limit on how much you can sell for free.

Ofcourse, they implement it to make a profit. I'm not denying that. I'm just saying there are other motives besides making a profit for them to implement this system. And really, if you'd think about it for a while longer then you'd see it really won't bring them any amount of money that even begins to compare to game sales or wow profits. But enough of this.

You really don't understand how item selling works.

A goldfarm is a company, generally driven by a couple of people. I'd say if you assume 50 employees per company that's a very high end assumption, but I'll assume it right now anyway. So 1 company that has it's own prices, has 50 employees farming for them. The more items a company has available, the lower the prices.
Since the company only has 50 people working for them, they can only bring in a limited amount of items in a certain amount of time. For example: In diablo 2 you often saw that item farming websites never really had more than 5 pieces of a particular item at the same time.
The RMAH, however, Is basically a company too.
Except this company is driven not by 50 employees, but by several million employees. The employees in this case being the players who play the game and sell and buy items from the auction house.
When the RMAH has that much more employees than another company, it will have many more items available than the illegal websites. This results in it having a lower price (again, following basic economics, more goods = lower price) and thus the RMAH will always have lower prices than Illegal websites.

So yes, illegal websites can still try to sell items, but you'd have to be one hell of an idiot to buy something illegally and for double the money when it's available legally for a normal price.

great post mate

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Tagek wrote:

For the petty profit they will make off of it it wouldn't even be worth their time to set it up if it was just for the money.

implementing RMAN for money income wasnt worth blizz time, but its worth there time to implement it for other reasons that almost wont make profit for them right?)
that sounds strange to me cus I dont think illegal market would prevent people from buying D3.

btw I like the idea with RMAH its kinda intriguing, but I dont think preventing illegal trading was main reason for it.)