Since GGG forced lab down our throats, how about some protection from lab carries that quit or die?

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robmafia wrote:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&q=neil+degrasse+tyson+allegations

the worst came from ndt, himself, when he explained his super secret mystic shaman spiritual energy handshake.

Typical left wing allegations, 0 convictions

Maybe in your country a person can be convicted of a crime as soon as allegations are made, but in the country Neil lives in there is actually some amount of reasonable standard that must be met. Some actual crime also has to be committed, of which "he made me uncomfortable" is a ridiculous standard for a crime that no sane, reasonable person could possibly accept.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&q=neil+degrasse+tyson+allegations

the worst came from ndt, himself, when he explained his super secret mystic shaman spiritual energy handshake.

Typical left wing allegations

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The following day, Watson said she confronted Tyson about his behavior; he told her she would never advance in her career because she was too “distracting.”

(source)

Tell us more please ....
Wanting to categorize something as political instantly : also speaks volume btw.

And good job again for derailing your own thread.

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Fruz wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&q=neil+degrasse+tyson+allegations

the worst came from ndt, himself, when he explained his super secret mystic shaman spiritual energy handshake.

Typical left wing allegations, 0 convictions

Maybe in your country a person can be convicted of a crime as soon as allegations are made, but in the country Neil lives in there is actually some amount of reasonable standard that must be met. Some actual crime also has to be committed, of which "he made me uncomfortable" is a ridiculous standard for a crime that no sane, reasonable person could possibly accept.

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The following day, Watson said she confronted Tyson about his behavior; he told her she would never advance in her career because she was too “distracting.”

((source)

Tell us more please ....
Wanting to categorize something as political instantly : also speaks volume btw.

And good job again for derailing your own thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHaxUeNUmsk

Even the left doesn't accept this as a crime. It's ridiculous. The rape allegation is very serious, but there has to be some evidence of which the time of this posting there is 0.

This is far from a derailment. This is a legitimate situation in which facts don't matter to you people. I'm asking for a reasonable standard by which you will agree that the evidence COULD POSSIBLY SHOW that lab is bad for POE. I ask for this because every shred of evidence that COULD EXIST, actually DOES EXIST, and you still don't accept it.

Instead, you respond by bringing up sexual harrassment allegations that have no convictions and this is exactly illustrating my point. Evidence doesn't matter to you people, just your opinions.

It doesn't matter whether you like the guy or not, the standard is reasonable: what is the best single bit of evidence (that is actually possible for us to get), and what would it take to show that you're wrong?

I ask because at this point there's literally nothing based in reality that you apparently will accept to make you admit you are wrong. If you had a 700+ page thread of people SUPPORTING lab, a list of 410 posts SUPPORTING lab, and a couple strawpolls SUPPORTING lab, I would say "ok, there's a lot of evidence out there saying they like lab, maybe I'll just have to accept it and move on to a game that doesn't force content I don't like on me". Instead, all the evidence shows that I am correct and you are not, and you are not willing to face reality.

So I'm giving you the chance: WHAT COULD SOMEONE POSSIBLY DO TO CONVINCE YOU?

TLDR:
according to Legatus1982('s agenda) :
- insignificantly sized samples of questionable sources including irrelevant complaints ( regarding the current state of the lab ) is all the evidence you need to conclude that "the vast majority of which would love for lab to not be a thing", whereas 3 women claiming having been sexually harassed by a man + a clear quote showing blatant sexism/sexual harassment from that man is nothing like an evidence that the said man is a sexual harasser.


I guess we're really done here lol.

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Fruz wrote:

TLDR:
according to Legatus1982('s agenda) :
- insignificantly sized samples of questionable sources including irrelevant complaints ( regarding the current state of the lab ) is all the evidence you need to conclude that "the vast majority of which would love for lab to not be a thing", whereas 3 women claiming having been sexually harassed by a man + a clear quote showing blatant sexism/sexual harassment from that man is nothing like an evidence that the said man is a sexual harasser.


I guess we're really done here lol.

over 1200 pages of material with investigation, linked sources, and polling
vs
3 people who made criminal allegations that haven't actually been investigated and two of which are not actual crimes

Lol

HOW MANY TIMES TO I NEED TO ASK YOU FRUZ: WHAT COULD A PERSON ACTUALLY DO TO CONVINCE YOU LAB IS BAD FOR POE?

derails own thread.

turns shit into "convictions"

SOMEHOW DISMISSES SUPER SECRET MYSTIC LIFE FORCE HANDSHAKE, detailed by the "scientist," himself.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

HOW MANY TIMES TO I NEED TO ASK YOU FRUZ: WHAT COULD A PERSON ACTUALLY DO TO CONVINCE YOU LAB IS BAD FOR POE?

THIS WASN'T EVEN YOUR ARGUMENT.

you backpedaled from lab carry insurance (as if ggg wants people to use carries!) to polls to ndt to the moon to the above.

what in the actual.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

HOW MANY TIMES TO I NEED TO ASK YOU FRUZ: WHAT COULD A PERSON ACTUALLY DO TO CONVINCE YOU LAB IS BAD FOR POE?

Something like a survey up to date done properly with a relevant sample like ... at least ... ~10% of PoE's playerbase ?
Something like that would start being meaningful.


Go ahead.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

over 1200 pages of material with investigation

LOL, WHAT?
I mean, why do I insist, I already explained how those things could not be used for proper statistics and taking meaningful conclusions, and not only once.


/popcorn.

This is kind of entertaining.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

What about this GGG? You forced this content onto the players, the vast majority of which would love for lab to not be a thing, and we have no way of protecting ourselves from these scams.

Vast majority of players are liking lab or are ok with it. Complainers are vocal minority, mostly - noobs.

PS: LtP, git gud.

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Fruz wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

HOW MANY TIMES TO I NEED TO ASK YOU FRUZ: WHAT COULD A PERSON ACTUALLY DO TO CONVINCE YOU LAB IS BAD FOR POE?

Something like a survey up to date done properly with a relevant sample like ... at least ... ~10% of PoE's playerbase ?
Something like that would start being meaningful.


Go ahead.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

over 1200 pages of material with investigation

LOL, WHAT?
I mean, why do I insist, I already explained how those things could not be used for proper statistics and taking meaningful conclusions, and not only once.


/popcorn.

This is kind of entertaining.

And how the fuck do you propose somebody get 10% of the POE player base to participate in a poll? Even GGG would have a hard time doing that without FORCIBLY making them do it before allowing them to do it to be able to play the game, and there is CERTAINLY NO POSSIBLE WAY for any normal person to do that.

I asked you WHAT COULD A *PERSON* DO, you answered some unreasonable bullshit that nobody could ever possibly achieve, signalling that there is, in fact, no amount of evidence that would actually convince you.

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DivineChampion wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

What about this GGG? You forced this content onto the players, the vast majority of which would love for lab to not be a thing, and we have no way of protecting ourselves from these scams.

Vast majority of players are liking lab or are ok with it. Complainers are vocal minority, mostly - noobs.

PS: LtP, git gud.

Exactly the person who needs squelching.


Back to you Fruz, I have one question for you:
Out of all the things people could possibly complain about:
mtx/stash tabs
skill gem balance
crashes
desync (very grateful GGG finally fixed this to a reasonable degree)
mapping
bots/chat spam
lab

Why is lab singularly the most complained about thing? If it were such a vocal "minority", the other threads would be bigger than the lab thread and there would be more of those types of threads. Why is lab talked about so much more often than all of these things? What is your explanation for this?

Checkmate bud

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Legatus1982 wrote:

And how the fuck do you propose somebody get 10% of the POE player base to participate in a poll?

Wait ... you mean ... you are .... STARTING TO GET IT ???