[3.5] Occultist Vortex/Cold Snap ES/CI - Deathless and Safe Uber Elder and T16's
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Sherubim wrote:
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NecropK wrote:
Hey sherubim, I started playing this build towards the end of last league and all this league, but you seem to have superior knowledge of the build itself. I also have seen some people who swear not to take ee etc. Can you take a look at my profile with my tree/gear and maybe throw me some advice on what I can improve or maybe change? Appreciate it.
Hi,
1. Your EE cant work, cause you have put Frost Bomb as first gem into your weapon. The spells will trigger from first to last, so you kill your damage. An optimal setup is storm brand - frost bomb - orb of storms. EE itself is mainly used for boss kills as all small stuff dies instantly anyways we need a dps push for boss kills, which EE provides (around +50% more dps)
2. Upgrade your weaopn (i still tend towards wands as they are better to get for cheap). At least have +% cold damage over time
3. Remove soul thief, as we play dot only the initial hit will leech ES, just not worth it, path to Entropy instead
4. You took some more ES nodes at Foresight + you pathed there from 2 different directions. I recommend taking away some of those points (1 int node + 3 ES nodes) and path to Holy dominion.
All the rest is personal preference + what I already said in the forum. Get that might of the meek and remove the bigger nodes in radius.
Hope that helps
Checked all this in POB and it seems I lose a total of almost 1k es and gain damage. Slightly more of each when EE is up as well as overload. Playing HC league I feel like the extra es might be better but I am not sure... Thoughts? Also as far as changing to a wand, whats best way to craft one? Alt Spam for tier 1 cold dmg over time, regal, annul? Also when switching do you drop spiritual aid then as no minion dmg on weapon is a big loss? I also swapped my tree to something similar to yours to test. So I guess I will see how the damage feels. I am now sitting at 13,086 es and thats without increased es from body armour on either ring. 13k is prolly fine, although I was at like 14,100 before the change in tree. Just not sure if playing HC keeping the 1k es is actually worth it or not.
Last edited by NecropK#0118 on Mar 30, 2019, 12:06:56 AM
A quick guide to EE (and what it does in this build):
EE will give a 25% increased res to the elemental damage type you last dealt, while providing a -50% lowered res on the other elemental resistances.
So what we want is -50% cold res ofc.
How do we get that?
We proc skills in our weapon (from first (top, left) to last (bottom right), putting them on a 4 sec cooldown.
So we chose to take skills that continously deal (in this case) lightning damage to have the EE effect (storm brand and orb of storms).
The frost bomb effect is just a millisec.
So there are 2 things you have to do 100% or it wont work:
1. get the skills in the right order
2. NEVER EVER have flat cold damage on ANY of your items, icluding gems (it will let you deal near to 0 damage with EE)
Hope that helps
Good grief. I have flat cold damage to spells on my current want and my previous. Luckily, I just bought a wand with 90% minion damage that I can multicraft. Thank you for the explanation. I've been missing out.
Last edited by melkorien#4077 on Mar 29, 2019, 9:07:18 PM
Can someone have a look at my char? I dont really deal a lot of dmg. I have nearly 12k ES and T16 maps are okay but guardians take ages
Sorry mate, but you are the perfect example how to mess up EE totally, so you deal near 0 damage to bosses/monsters that dont die on first hit :).
First of all you have frost bomb first in weapon. Put it second and storm brand first.
Second you have another frost bomb in your cwdt setup. Remove and replace with enfeeble.
Third and most important, you have flat cold to spells on your weapon. You will never ever profit from EE with that weapon.
Hope that helps
Hi, i have flat cold damage to attacks on my rings, does that affect my EE?
If i'm not wrong, xx cold to attacks deosnt affect my spells?
Last edited by raychin1#3474 on Mar 30, 2019, 12:51:13 AM
Checked all this in POB and it seems I lose a total of almost 1k es and gain damage. Slightly more of each when EE is up as well as overload. Playing HC league I feel like the extra es might be better but I am not sure... Thoughts? Also as far as changing to a wand, whats best way to craft one? Alt Spam for tier 1 cold dmg over time, regal, annul? Also when switching do you drop spiritual aid then as no minion dmg on weapon is a big loss? I also swapped my tree to something similar to yours to test. So I guess I will see how the damage feels. I am now sitting at 13,086 es and thats without increased es from body armour on either ring. 13k is prolly fine, although I was at like 14,100 before the change in tree. Just not sure if playing HC keeping the 1k es is actually worth it or not.
I never play HC, so i am not able to tell ysou whats best. What i can tell you is, i sit at 11K ES and it feels safe up to uber elder. Most people i talked with told me 12k ES is the mark to reach in endgame, so i guess you'll be fine with 13K.
Consider buying a wand as better option, or craft one that looks pretty much like mine.
There is a big misunderstanding going around in this build guide forum. NO you don't drop Spiritual aid, cause that wheel is a sweet 70% damage increase. On the sceptres the minion damage just is, what on my wand is spell damage. The two things got nothing to do with each other.
And a last note. You may want to switch to the cwdt setup with enfeeble and get aspect of the spider. It's both a big boost to defense and offense (really its great). If thats not available atm, still get enfeeble on cwdt and put temp chains in the blasphemy, also a boost for defense.
Last edited by Sherubim#6318 on Mar 30, 2019, 3:10:43 AM
So i have this weapon ready to get multi moded.
My question is which prefix and suffix are best?
-Trigger Spell of course
-Cold damage over time multi.
-Spell damage?
-Damage over time?
-And what for last open suffix?
I just wanted to thank you once again for this Build Guide. Thanks to it, I managed to do my first ever Uber Elder!
Sure it was clutch as hell with only 1 portal left, but I think that'll only improve now that I know the fight!
Question regarding the added cold dmg on your gear, if it is Adds cold dmg to attacks, does it break EE like raw added cold dmg or not, cause we dont use attack? Got those rolls on Amulet and one Ring.
Ty
Last edited by joyjoy88#7370 on Mar 31, 2019, 7:37:19 AM
Question regarding the added cold dmg on your gear, if it is Adds cold dmg to attacks, does it break EE like raw added cold dmg or not, cause we dont use attack? Got those rolls on Amulet and one Ring.
Ty
No "to attacks" means only to weapon attacks - i.e. hitting with your mace/sword/wand etc.
