Zana Shaped Mod not progressing atlas

With the new daily missions and shaper strongholds it already felt like we were told to stop having a shaped atlas. But then a shaped atlas has some really rewarding advantages and why not give some to ppl who fully complete? That's okay.

But now not being able to use shaped maps to complete the Zana quests is very annoying. And I was really looking forward to use Zana’s “shaped” and “elder” option this league to spawn some elders without having to run a lot of low maps. So this change is truly disappointing for me.

I mean, if you are going to change things and not write them in the patch notes, don't even bother write it and spend time on other problems.

Edit: I don't mind the change, but this thing of the patch notes makes me mad.

terrible change.

terrible for SSF.
terrible for influence farming(every single map i could use elder zana mod and get T16 maps and good crafting bases).
terrible for memory fragment progression.
terrible way to fix a exploit and fuck everyone else at the same time.

i was ok with 2 weeks without my map tab, 1 month without shaped and elder legacy maps(they are still useless), and now you remove the thing i do the most in this game, follow influences around using elder zana mod, i was having so much fun running all this different maps and layouts without having to elder a single map and doing it over and over again... this diversity was so good.

i made up my mind and i wont support u guys moving forward.

I know everyone is talking about how this punishes those who shape their atlas, but it also feels really punishing for those who want to go after elder and try to fill out their entire atlas. It's tedious and wasteful to have to run yellow and white maps when the elder blob shows up in white maps and the Zana changes last league really made it feel more fun and rewarding.

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AndrewE_GGG wrote:

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Zana Shaped Mod not progressing atlas

This was a side effect of fixing an exploit where using the Zana Shaped mod on a map would not remove the Shaper/Elder influence. The new behaviour is that if a map has a different tier than that on your Atlas, it will not have influence (and hence won't progress Shaper/Elder influence).

For example, If you have a Shaped Shore on your Atlas that is Shaper influenced, running a normal Shore map or an Elder Shore map will not have Shaper influence, only a Shaped Shore will.

I understand that this change may have had unintended consequences. I'll bring it up with the team to verify whether this is intended or not.

If i can please bring your attention to a side effect of this:
I have a T16 Toxic Sewer and it spawned a Shaper Stronghold there.
When i run my T16 Toxic Sewer, corresponding base to my atlas, the map has no drops of Shaper Items (perhaps no influence at all) but Shaper itself is there and he spawns his balls. I think this is unintended because in this case the map as the same tier as my atlas.

I have posted about this here:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2298081/page/1

and other people had similar experiences here:

Shaper's Stronghold Bug(s)
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2220066

"Shaper strongholds and scarabs"
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2288461

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AndrewE_GGG wrote:

New behavior is indeed intended. Sorry this wasn't effectively communicated to players at the time of the change.

What an awful change, please revert this

if you fix this again, please don't forget the following thing:

In an attempt to fix an exploit back in Atlas league, you also bound the Elder/Guardian fights to the Character that opens the map.
This meens i cant clear the map with the char i'am currently leveling and switch to a single target char for the boss kill.

You implemented this to prohibit people opening multiple instances of the same map on the templar mapping device.


Iam quite sure if you spend some development time, you find a way to prohibt all the exploits without fuking over the 99% of player base that woul never have come across the exploit at all.

Would like to give a few cents on that importance of the words Andrew writes here:

"For example, If you have a Shaped Shore on your Atlas that is Shaper influenced, running a normal Shore map or an Elder Shore map will not have Shaper influence, only a Shaped Shore will."

(...) If you have a Shaped Shore on your Atlas

You legit have to have the map on the atlas.. this might seem pretty straightforward from what we just heard.

But, as i understood this entire mechanic, i was under the assumption that if any influence "spawned" on, in my case, Elder Underground Sea, that i would have to run an Elder Underground Sea to move said influence.

Now, i wanted to switch to Elder Precincts, so i unshaped my Elder Underground Sea, shaped it up to a T10, thinking that i would have to run my Elder Underground Sea to move that influence right, but nope. So when i opened my Elder UGS, no influence either.

This sucks.. -40 chisels and 10 regrets because i have to go back and unshape elder precinct now, re-elder orb my UGS.
That or sell all my UGS maps which are now useless to me.

I wish we could get a confirmation that the current situation is a band-aid fix and not the final fix. As the change definitely comes off as a band-aid at best.

Having to choose between more XP and changing influences so often really sucks :(