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Danzanus wrote:

Btw, what you think about this?
timeless jewel for 320% minion damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8lEGDACd2E
Cant count in PoB, cuz no idea how to add it there ))
-1minion... but still have empower...


Losing spectre from Death Attunement is really not worth it. He plays zombies, so its not a big deal for him to lose one.
Its not possible to get 6 spectres anymore? even if you reach level 30 to raise spectre?
A question - Added lightning damage not good only in wand? or anywhere?

For wand and for PoH.
For example amulet with Added lightning damage to attacks will brake EE?
I think yes, but not sure. And then why the NOTE about lightning damage to spells only at wand? :) Thank you!
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Draghin wrote:
Why are we supposed to use Storm Brand in the POH build? Don't we still want Armageddon for the fire damage to proc elemental equlibrium for our slave drivers?


That was a mistake. I was demonstrating Goatmen on stream and linked my Storm Brand when I updated the guide.

It should be Arma brand! I've fixed the guide.
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NexiiUS wrote:
Thanks for clarifying. Command is listed as 1 on the ascendancy so that confused me


I think you were looking at the PoH build (it has commander for lab 1). The levelling guide is written for the W&S build which takes mindless for lab 1.

The PoH build isn't designed as a starter build because the build enabling items are only available after level 68.
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HouseMD wrote:
So I got the Aul's uprising for haste aura, but I lose out on the +1 intelligence on amulet so I have to use empower. Which option is the better dps?


PoH v1 has self-cast Flesh Offering whereas PoH v2 does not. So if you add FO to PoH v2, the dps is actually very close: 3.1M vs 2.9M.

PoH v1: https://pastebin.com/sjK6MHym

It's a lot easier to gear up for PoH v2, though.
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Nizah wrote:
Its not possible to get 6 spectres anymore? even if you reach level 30 to raise spectre?


Undocumented nerf.

I pushed the gem to level 32 and it still said '3 spectres'.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/eay07t/psa_raise_spectre_does_not_gives_4th_spectre_at/

Datamine also confirms:

https://poedb.tw/us/gem.php?n=Raise+Spectre
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This guide is awesome with all the tiny details! Great job!

What I really struggle to understand is why to bother with PoH, if W/S with Victario and Aegis is cheaper and even more effective. And this pair is not even in the guide!

PoH gives your specters:
- flat 52% more damage;
- 18% block chance;
- 100% mana, which makes sense only for more ES from ridiculously priced jewel.

Victario + Aegis give your minions:
- stable 3 Frenzy charges, which is pure 42% more damage (45% increased cast speed, 12% more damage);
- whatever damage mods you can get on wand. To keep the price low, let's just include 20% minions cast speed increase, which is 10% more damage.

So, even these two things are bringing W/S on par with PoH. And here is a big list of other quality of life things you get:
- movement speed from Frenzy charges;
- power charges on kill, which is another 26% multiplier on average. They are up for any clearing and bosses with adds;
- +1 to all minion skills;
- trigger on skill, which is a cool utility thing to cast desecrate/offering/EE trigger automatically;
- non-lightning damage to trigger EE with auto-cast AoE skill in the wand, like vortex. Works perfectly everywhere;
- some def mods for you minions from the shield, including 24% block.

It seems my DPS in PoB is higher, than Kay's, and that's without level 5 awakened gems and any overpriced gear piece (I don't know, if 1-2 ex per jewel can be considered luxury):
https://pastebin.com/7ctFkppy

Few things for PoB:
- since PoB doesn't know about Greater Spell Echo, I've just added pure 52% more damage, as recommended in PoE Wiki;
- my wand has "Nearby Allies have +50% to Critical Strike Multiplier" mod to include Kingmaker aura. I've also added it to PoH for fair comparison;
- I've unchecked Deathmark and shock for both builds.

Seriously, am I missing something?
As I completely fell in love with this build, I'd be glad to hear any feedback!
Last edited by Scyntos#5319 on Jan 13, 2020, 8:27:39 PM
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Scyntos wrote:
This guide is awesome with all the tiny details! Great job!

What I really struggle to understand is why to bother with PoH, if W/S with Victario and Aegis is cheaper and even more effective. And this pair is not even in the guide!

PoH gives your specters:
- flat 52% more damage;
- 18% block chance;
- 100% mana, which makes sense only for more ES from ridiculously priced jewel.

Victario + Aegis give your minions:
- stable 3 Frenzy charges, which is pure 42% more damage (45% increased cast speed, 12% more damage);
- whatever damage mods you can get on wand. To keep the price low, let's just include 20% minions cast speed increase, which is 10% more damage.

So, even these two things are bringing W/S on par with PoH. And here is a big list of other quality of life things you get:
- movement speed from Frenzy charges;
- power charges on kill, which is another 26% multiplier on average. They are up for any clearing and bosses with adds;
- +1 to all minion skills;
- trigger on skill, which is a cool utility thing to cast desecrate/offering/EE trigger automatically;
- non-lightning damage to trigger EE with auto-cast AoE skill in the wand, like vortex. Works perfectly everywhere;
- some def mods for you minions from the shield, including 24% block.

It seems my DPS in PoB is higher, than Kay's, and that's without level 5 awakened gems and any overpriced gear piece (I don't know, if 1-2 ex per jewel can be considered luxury):
https://pastebin.com/7ctFkppy

Few things for PoB:
- since PoB doesn't know about Greater Spell Echo, I've just added pure 52% more damage, as recommended in PoE Wiki;
- my wand has "Nearby Allies have +50% to Critical Strike Multiplier" mod to include Kingmaker aura. I've also added it to PoH for fair comparison;
- I've unchecked Deathmark and shock for both builds.

Seriously, am I missing something?
As I completely fell in love with this build, I'd be glad to hear any feedback!



First of all, you should have a look at LocalIdentitys PoB Fork on Github, it includes things like Greater Spell Echo, second all the good and knowledgable players like Uberelite,Karv and this guide moved away from Victarios+Aegis for reasons, last i heard was that it is a noob trap and you lose to much going that path.

On another note, i invested a few ex to try a variant of the PoH version and see if the improved AOE (which is the main reason i actually changed) and DMG is worth the loss of all that block chance and some HP, lets see how this goes.
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ElCatti wrote:
... moved away from Victarios+Aegis for reasons, last i heard was that it is a noob trap and you lose to much going that path.

It doesn't satisfy my curiosity, sorry. I have shared the real numbers and would be glad, if someone can respond in the same vein. Why do I need custom PoB version? Do you mean the information on PoE Wiki is wrong? It's pretty detailed and well-written.

In reality, my calculations look correct too. Everything in T16 is just being melted. White trash takes 1 second, rares take 1-2 seconds, bosses - from 4 to 6 seconds on average and metamorphs anywhere from 5 to 10 seconds. I don't see any real point in the increased AoE from PoH, if the entire screen is clean in 1-2 seconds in T16 maps.
Last edited by Scyntos#5319 on Jan 13, 2020, 10:32:42 PM

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