Had 2 of these cards for ages, found the third in a T10 map just 2 days ago. ===============================================
I farmed 2 Onis before the nerf.
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I haven't tried farming it since the nerf, but I think I will next league at some point. I once again got an awesome (others would say 300% retarded) idea for it.
I think the fact that we got uber hillock in the first place is pretty amazing. Also there's the incredible satisfaction that comes from defeating him and hearing the drop line of Oni-Goroshi.
Also, I think despite the nerf, this weapon's power level easily justifies the grind. Anyone still remember Original recipe Goddess Unleashed? THAT'S what overdoing a nerf looks like.
I really didn't intend it to be that -- the card is pretty common for exactly that reason.
I still haven't found even one of those cards. Leveled one character in Abyss post-Goroshi launch and leveled 2 characters in Bestiary. Just how unlucky am I?
Pretty damn unlucky I guess. I requested that a typical act 1-10 run yield at least a couple of them. Maybe that didn't happen. Who knows. :(
It didn't I only got one i think across all my characters this league
I didn't get a single card across all my characters this league.
Last league I was speed farming XP in Harbour Bridge to level up gems. I leveled over 30 Purity of Fires to 20 in about a week or so and I remember getting like 2 cards. Those things are pretty fucking rare, I think.
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I farmed onii after change once and im not going to do this again.
Weapon is nice, basically 6l that let you not bother with tabula rasa (and use crappy chest instead), however it's not something without drawback. You have to build around degen. Definitely not a weapon i would like to use after week 2, especially when we have acces to stat sticks.
Before change, onii was a nice way to balance weapon scalling skills and spells.
Now i don't see a reason not to start a new league/event with something different than spell skill.
Why even bother dealing with degen (that is huge problem in early days of fresh server) while i can use any spell with tabula rasa for some time.
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The best part about it is its cool looking... and since its actually 1 handed, you can skin to weild 2 of them. So getting only 1 is giving up, keep grinding!
Well me personally i hate to be the one to have to say it but... From the second i heard about this weapon and HOW you would obtain it.... Ive HATED it!! No offense to Charan but in my personal opinion i was expecting a bit more imaginative or creative way of obtaining the weapon. Especially from him.
Especially once i seen this time around the power lvl for what Charans vision for the weapon looked really in line this time around. I remember very clearly the disappointment of the first version of the 3. And Oni was the chance to make things right.. and this goal was absolutely achieved no question.
But obtaining the item is where im completely turned off. I come on... Are you seriously going to tell me the way this item is obtained doesn't scream "please fucking bot the shit out of me"??? This was suppose to be a lore based weapon so why on earth not make acquiring such an item based around the actual lore? And the difficulty of obtaining it? That was something destined to fail from conception imo. How could no one have seen what happen when it released in Abyss? How on earth was anyone surprised? For me? It was Expected... You put not only a 6L but a POWERFUL 6L capable of endgame content at in the very first area of the game? Really?....
Ive always thought about better options after about day 2 or 3 of its release. (Around the morning i seen it being /remaining farming it) and always thought a better way of gating it to not only make it much more challenging to get but center it even more around the lore...
Gate it behind No Stone Unturned and the All Ears Achivements. Make it so these must be completed first to THEN unlock the possibility of the item being possible to drop in the first place... The grind from there could be left as it is now or returned that part doesn't really concern me as much as JUST having some heavy grind in a starting area of the game to get it just has all kinda of bad shit written all over it.
Just my opinion on the matter. But i do agree with Charan that sword was WAY too fucking easy to get before and probably STILL is now... its just so much of a grind now it just feels like it encourages botting too much for my personal tastes. I also agree with Charan in that this weapon should be EARNED. And i mean not just mindlessly grind an area while watching your favorite sitcom earn it.... I mean get out there and really immerse yourself in the lore to even have a clue what the hell shes even talking about once you do obtain her. And its current way of obtaining is just lazy.
And Charan says for people who dont want the grind theres the cards? Cool i can get behind that i would even take that as far as to have 2 versions of the weapon... one from the cards and then the drop version which should have something special just for the extra effort in going through all that to obtain it. Raise a couple of the rolls maybe or just change the fucking color or art or something.
IDK for such an epic weapon that so much effort and work was put into i just always felt the way its obtained fell so short of what it could have been. Just my opinion not hating by any means btw.
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I don't dislike your idea of gating it behind lore-based achievements but there's no real internal justification for it. Despite what some might think, I don't really see the Goddess as tied to any other Wraeclastian lore. She's a guest character, and as such should be very much something you go out of your way to unlock. She's also by her nature a conniving bitch, so the method of acquisition had to be unpleasant and...counter-intuitive. As for the botting, that's why the sword sells for virtually nothing. I'm still pretty sure a bot would do better farming for Humility cards in the aqueducts and trading 9 of those, effectively, for a divine orb. The most a bot could do with OG is sell her on the market and that market was always designed to be pretty well-stocked with OGs via the cards. As it turns out, it was well-stocked with OGs from overfarming. LOL. Whoops.
I was offered a new design as a recompense for the Unleashed debacle. I didn't want to take that, partially because I didn't believe I deserved that much but mostly because it wouldn't have fixed things as effectively as what I did. Your suggestion of two versions of the sword would require me taking that offer and I never considered it...so it was never on the table from my perspective.
It is still a lot more common and easy to obtain than I imagined but I suspect what I imagined would have been ridiculous in practice. I like where it is now.
Mostly you're working with the benefit of hindsight, which we just didn't have. I knew once the sword was in, that was it. They could tweak the rarity but that was about the extent of it. We had to get it close to right the first time, which is why these things take a lot of time to land. I'm not offended by any of what you said but I am...amused that you'd think I or we would come up with something 'more creative' when there's honestly nothing else in the game like the Uber Hillock grind. I took something relatively minor (the fact that he pulls a sword from his chest midway through his fight) and made something much more of it. Every once in a blue moon, that event (witnessed so many times) isn't just something forgettable. It's the beginning of a very different story than the devs themselves intended to tell with the core game. Quality of said writing regardless (I've defended it elsewhere, but haters gonna hate as the kids say), that's more than enough for me to be happy about! :)
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Hey man all that honestly really matters is your happy with it in the end. I've followed it all for some time and i can say one thing you succeeded in making a very interesting weapon that can be took all the way to endgame. Comes already ready to go out the box as well. I just felt personally (Which also happens to agree with your previous sentiments upon its first release in abyss) that its still far too easy so to speak.. Its just a grind. Theres nothing really special anyone needs to do other than have the patience. I guess that's just the part that bugs me... i distinctly remember all the shit i went through for an entire league to make certain i acquired everything i needed to make the 3rd sword. I felt like i deserved that fucking thing once i got the recipe in order. Maybe it was just me wanting something similar with Oni is all.. I was wanting something special i needed to do again. Maybe not a recipe this time but something you know?
But thats whats up about GGG coming to you to make a remake the weapon or what have you.. I mean you are after all the supporter of supporters. Its the least they could do. But i also think its cool regardless because they certainly did not have to. Thats the one thing that always keeps GGG in good standing regardless of some of their obvious mistakes and changes/things they do i disagree with. Its alright because all in all at least GGG try to put every ones best interest at heart and try their best to do right by the community. Its important to remember they are a business first and foremost.. and GGG are the kinda company that can make it easy to forgot that sometimes i think.
Oh and while your here and we are on the subject...
I noticed at least one other person in this thread mention something about the drop rates on the cards? And you are claiming they should be at least a couple drop through out a typical lvling to map session? Well i concur with the other dudes finding... 2 Characters in Abyss AFTER release as well as another to lvl 50-55 somewhere in there and ive yet to see even the first one. I also have to do testing and remove prophecy's in the lvling content even on my mapping builds quite a bit. And i damn sure have not seen any in maps which i do A LOT.. Mostly of the red tier variety but im also going to assume this part (None in maps) is intended. Just thought i would throw that out there.
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