F the labyrinth

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Severance2hBlade wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

Since when do you need Ascendancy points? You need Ascendancy points as much as you need stash tabs.

Why make something powerful & at the same time unnecessary? Quite the paradox. And to imply that stash tabs are unnecessary..So you must be the only one that has 4 stash tabs, correct?

The contradictions are pilling up. At this point i will just assume that you are here to claim the crown of the greatest Lab White Knight by constantly implying that a considerable part of the community is simply delusional about how bad "this" Lab actually is.

Xavathos is a good guy, IMHO, I have to assume that he's just pulling off a mild troll on us. Or perhaps he's just been partaking in a bit of the "holiday spirits" before his post? One of the two seems like the best guess especially with him trying to illogically conflate premium stash tabs with lab! I mean I have like a 120 stash tabs. I don't use them all but how is any of that relevant to Ascendancy Points?

does this look hard to you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rVk-ce1KKA

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Turtledove wrote:

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Severance2hBlade wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

Since when do you need Ascendancy points? You need Ascendancy points as much as you need stash tabs.

Why make something powerful & at the same time unnecessary? Quite the paradox. And to imply that stash tabs are unnecessary..So you must be the only one that has 4 stash tabs, correct?

The contradictions are pilling up. At this point i will just assume that you are here to claim the crown of the greatest Lab White Knight by constantly implying that a considerable part of the community is simply delusional about how bad "this" Lab actually is.

Xavathos is a good guy, IMHO, I have to assume that he's just pulling off a mild troll on us. Or perhaps he's just been partaking in a bit of the "holiday spirits" before his post? One of the two seems like the best guess especially with him trying to illogically conflate premium stash tabs with lab! I mean I have like a 120 stash tabs. I don't use them all but how is any of that relevant to Ascendancy Points?

I guess it's no longer allowed to have an opinion differ from yours without insult, TD. Everything I say has to be picked apart and "studied", as if you have any idea of my intentions. I refrained from posting in these threads for months, simply because it seemed pointless to try and discuss anything with the likes of you. Unfortunately, that still rings true today. Back to lurker mode, I guess, what a shame.

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Severance2hBlade wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

You see, most of us take what we can get and are thankful for it.

This can be easily interpreted as a sign of you having no interest for the game to evolve or improve. Many "complainers" are still here & play with the same tools under the same conditions. As i have mentioned on a previous post, we tolerate this Lab "content". The difference is that we are not that much thankful for it. Nothing wrong with that, it is a state of mind & not a state of less skill or weakness as you deem it to be.

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Xavathos wrote:

We don't spend our time complaining that things are not freely given, least of all things as powerful as Ascendancy points

No one is asking for things freely given. This is the usual "slander" used by players like you.

You conveniently choose to put all complains in the same basket. There are complains generated by genuine interest & passion for PoE. There is nothing wrong with complaining because that too is a state of mind & nothing by nature is perfect. Yet you seem to believe that :

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Xavathos wrote:

Lab is absolutely fine. It's unique and not for everyone, clearly, but it's not unfair or broken or required to progress.

So Lab is fine, unique, not unfair & not broken & by your admission not..necessary. In other words it is the perfect conceived content & there is nothing wrong with it. Really now..

You also admit that Ascendancy points are powerful. Then you say :

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Xavathos wrote:

Since when do you need Ascendancy points? You need Ascendancy points as much as you need stash tabs.

Why make something powerful & at the same time unnecessary? Quite the paradox. And to imply that stash tabs are unnecessary..So you must be the only one that has 4 stash tabs, correct?

The contradictions are pilling up. At this point i will just assume that you are here to claim the crown of the greatest Lab White Knight by constantly implying that a considerable part of the community is simply delusional about how bad "this" Lab actually is.

You can interpret what I said as you please, it does not change my meaning.

As for no one asking them to be freely given, on the contrary. I've seen plenty of people ask for the points to be removed from the Lab and given out freely. I would not see it so.

There is a clear difference between power and necessity. Of course Ascendancy points are going to make you much more powerful, but you're not REQUIRED this power to play and be successful, even clear all content including the hardest bosses. The question to ask is, why would anyone do that when all it takes is doing the Lab?

I am not the one with 4 stash tabs, no. But I have many friends who play like that and guess what? They are massively successful in the game. They also don't waste their time posting here like you and me... white knight... hahaha. You are amusing, though.

The problem of the lab is that besides of completing a challenge (and potencially good loot) it does not feel that you continue to play the same game!

I mean:
1. Mobs do not scale.
When you are 90+ you do not get enough exp to lvl up. Enemies are too weak and low lvl.

2. For me - the hightest map drop was the shore.
If it is considered as an end game grind, well, it should drop something better!

As a result Lab becomes a very bad appendix to the game. It can help you with the money but in terms of actual progression in a game it will not.

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Apachy wrote:

The problem of the lab is that besides of completing a challenge (and potencially good loot) it does not feel that you continue to play the same game!

I mean:
1. Mobs do not scale.
When you are 90+ you do not get enough exp to lvl up. Enemies are too weak and low lvl.

2. For me - the hightest map drop was the shore.
If it is considered as an end game grind, well, it should drop something better!

As a result Lab becomes a very bad appendix to the game. It can help you with the money but in terms of actual progression in a game it will not.

It was never meant to help you progress It's their for money purposes that's it/

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I_NO wrote:

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Apachy wrote:

The problem of the lab is that besides of completing a challenge (and potencially good loot) it does not feel that you continue to play the same game!

I mean:
1. Mobs do not scale.
When you are 90+ you do not get enough exp to lvl up. Enemies are too weak and low lvl.

2. For me - the hightest map drop was the shore.
If it is considered as an end game grind, well, it should drop something better!

As a result Lab becomes a very bad appendix to the game. It can help you with the money but in terms of actual progression in a game it will not.

It was never meant to help you progress It's their for money purposes that's it/

Is it? Or is it because someone at GGG said "Hey guys, let's fuck everything up." and most of the balance guys agreed with him since that's what they like doing?

The world shall never know.

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I_NO wrote:

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Apachy wrote:

The problem of the lab is that besides of completing a challenge (and potencially good loot) it does not feel that you continue to play the same game!

I mean:
1. Mobs do not scale.
When you are 90+ you do not get enough exp to lvl up. Enemies are too weak and low lvl.

2. For me - the hightest map drop was the shore.
If it is considered as an end game grind, well, it should drop something better!

As a result Lab becomes a very bad appendix to the game. It can help you with the money but in terms of actual progression in a game it will not.

It was never meant to help you progress It's their for money purposes that's it/

But why not make "Labyrinth" the content that PoE deserves? And it was ALWAYS meant to help you bypass other RNG walls, and PROGRESS, let's not kid ourselves, you wonderful T-Rex. ^^

I'm one of the biggest "complainers" regarding "Labyrinth", but all my gripes with IT start from it's lack of "identity & purpose", heck, only single target namelocking melee skills are more lacking regarding those aspects.

No one should argue that "Labyrinth" was not a "labour of love", and it still is one of the most important and interesting parts of the game, but unfortunately, it's still "light years" from reaching it's potential - if it was meant as a "rite of passage", and Ascension meant to have a greater impact on the storyline and character development, the current implementation with the daily layout instead of a RANDOM one for every Ascendancy points run is "substantially underwhelming" to say the least...

Beside having content feeling "harsh" for no reason beside "it should be moar difficult just for giggles", GGG really missed the mark with the "Labyrinth", as it is used to "gate" CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT in the least interesting way, and players are encouraged to PLAY said content via "bribes", instead of having GGG address REAL UNDERLYING PROBLEMS...

It is what it is, but we should all agree that what "Labyrinth" is, it's not pretty, heck, these days it's even lacking most "interesting" aspects - the removal of negative effect shrines was as saddening as those reworks regarding certain "uniques"...

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Xavathos wrote:

I guess it's no longer allowed to have an opinion differ from yours without insult, TD. Everything I say has to be picked apart and "studied", as if you have any idea of my intentions. I refrained from posting in these threads for months, simply because it seemed pointless to try and discuss anything with the likes of you. Unfortunately, that still rings true today. Back to lurker mode, I guess, what a shame.

You are the main person here saying that no one can have an opinion different than yours. Even down to obvious false facts. Sorry, I know for a fact that most people posting in this thread that don't like labyrinth do play this game. Your stupid assertion was FALSE. To make your hypocrisy complete you try to say that it is hopeless to discuss anything with me when you are being so completely unreasonable in your assertions.

I have said it plenty of times but I'll say it again. This is a Feedback and Suggestions forum. GGG created this forum as a place to give Feedback and Suggestions. My Feedback to GGG is that labyrinth is loathsome not fun content that is not arpg content that should not be gating something as important as arpg character development. I have zero problem with players that like the loathsome labyrinth. I have zero problem with people saying they like labyrinth and don't want this to change. You can have your own opinion with my blessing but not your own facts. If you can't live with that then I guess I was wrong about you?

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Turtledove wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

I guess it's no longer allowed to have an opinion differ from yours without insult, TD. Everything I say has to be picked apart and "studied", as if you have any idea of my intentions. I refrained from posting in these threads for months, simply because it seemed pointless to try and discuss anything with the likes of you. Unfortunately, that still rings true today. Back to lurker mode, I guess, what a shame.

You are the main person here saying that no one can have an opinion different than yours. Even down to obvious false facts. Sorry, I know for a fact that most people posting in this thread that don't like labyrinth do play this game. Your stupid assertion was FALSE. To make your hypocrisy complete you try to say that it is hopeless to discuss anything with me when you are being so completely unreasonable in your assertions.

I have said it plenty of times but I'll say it again. This is a Feedback and Suggestions forum. GGG created this forum as a place to give Feedback and Suggestions. My Feedback to GGG is that labyrinth is loathsome not fun content that is not arpg content that should not be gating something as important as arpg character development. I have zero problem with players that like the loathsome labyrinth. I have zero problem with people saying they like labyrinth and don't want this to change. You can have your own opinion with my blessing but not your own facts. If you can't live with that then I guess I was wrong about you?

Excuse me? Where in my posts, ANY of them in fact, do I suggest that no one can have an opinion different from my own? You claim, yet fail to make even one example, which in turn proves that you speak out of pure hostility for the sake of it.

I speak from the only point of view that I'm logically entitled to, my own. And in my point of view, the Labyrinth in its current form is perfectly fine. That is MY Feedback and Suggestion. Deal with it.

If you wish it so, from this point onward, any and all further false accusations and insults will be redirected to GGG by means of reports. If you can't have a discussion and post only to personally attack me on every opportunity, I will have no part in this.

This topic is the only loathsome thing about the Lab.