F the labyrinth

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Turtledove wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:


A steady stream of a handful of the same vocal minority, sure. Most of which don't even play the game at all, only visit forums to spew toxicity.


Any evidence for your silly assertion Xavathos or are you just making up nonsense as a trolling exercise?


Look at league challenge completion :P
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.
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goetzjam wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:


A steady stream of a handful of the same vocal minority, sure. Most of which don't even play the game at all, only visit forums to spew toxicity.


Any evidence for your silly assertion Xavathos or are you just making up nonsense as a trolling exercise?


Look at league challenge completion :P


First, the statement was "Most of which don't even play the game at all". Looking at league challenge completions as you suggest, it appears to flat out prove Xavathos's statement as false. Looking at this thread very roughly it looks like maybe 3 people don't have any league challenge completions at all and are in the category that Xavathos is maligning. There are way more than that in that same maligned category that do have challenge completions. So it seems to flat out prove Xavatho's statement as false.

However the 3 or so people that do not have challenge completions could be playing standard and so can't be assumed that they don't play. Heck, I've played way more standard myself this league. Very frequently I play only in standard during a league. Especially after the introduction of the loathsome labyrinth content. For example, you must remember your assertion last year that you knew better than me how long it had been since I had not been playing PoE prior to release 3.0. You even said I was lying about it. I politely informed you that I had been playing standard. I thought perhaps you would apologize for your thoughtless error. You didn't apologize, apparently because you lack honor. When I later let you know that you owed me an apology you stated that I was not being nice to you and that "if you can't say something nice about someone then you shouldn't say anything at all". That is a good general rule that you should have followed instead of claiming that I was being untruthful about how long I had not played PoE prior to release 3.0.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
Last edited by Turtledove#4014 on Jan 4, 2018, 2:17:45 PM
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Severance2hBlade wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:
Lab is absolutely fine. It's unique and not for everyone, clearly, but it's not unfair or broken or required to progress.


Since you believe it's unique & not for everyone, why gate Ascendancy Points behind it? Because those points essentially everyone needs.

Unless you just mean that Ascendancy Points are not required to progress, is that it? Does that also mean that they aren't a requirement for endgame content?


Since when do you need Ascendancy points? You need Ascendancy points as much as you need stash tabs. Or are you one of those claiming P2W on PoE over that as well? Then I need not say more.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
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Turtledove wrote:
First, the statement was "Most of which don't even play the game at all". Looking at league challenge completions as you suggest, it appears to flat out prove Xavathos's statement as false. Looking at this thread very roughly it looks like maybe 3 people don't have any league challenge completions at all and are in the category that Xavathos is maligning. There are way more than that in that same maligned category that do have challenge completions. So it seems to flat out prove Xavatho's statement as false.

However the 3 or so people that do not have challenge completions could be playing standard and so can't be assumed that they don't play. Heck, I've played way more standard myself this league. Very frequently I play only in standard during a league. Especially after the introduction of the loathsome labyrinth content. For example, you must remember your assertion last year that you knew better than me how long it had been since I had not been playing PoE prior to release 3.0. You even said I was lying about it. I politely informed you that I had been playing standard. I thought perhaps you would apologize for your thoughtless error. You didn't apologize, apparently because you lack honor. When I later let you know that you owed me an apology you stated that I was not being nice to you and that "if you can't say something nice about someone then you shouldn't say anything at all". That is a good general rule that you should have followed instead of claiming that I was being untruthful about how long I had not played PoE prior to release 3.0.


You can dance around the point as much as you want, you're not baiting me anymore. You know of whom I speak and you know I'm right, despite what you may say to bolster what's left of your opinion regarding the "loathsome" Lab.

Oh, TD... another year, another Labyrinth. :)
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
The "league challenge" comment is a not-so-subtle kind of ad hominem.

One key problem with looking at the league challenge numbers is that people who dislike or hate lab are particularly likely to stick with standard and take little to no part in leagues because then they don't have to repeat lab.

As for me, this is my posting account. I've been playing on a second account for quite some time and I recently was playing in the SSF HC Abyss league. I got a specter summoner in that league to level 84. But, I went in blind on an Abyssal Lich (the barrage guy). It took a fair while before I figured out that I needed to take out a kind of pillar to remove his invulnerability shield because I had no idea what to expect going into that fight and the screen was filled with even more visual overload than usual for a POE boss fight.

I still got to phase two of the fight and was holding up pretty well until my internet stuttered a few times in rapid succession and the death message popped up right after that.

After SummonerOfShadow died, I watched a ZiggyD video of his first fight with the same Abyssal Lich and saw what a shitshow that was for him. I felt a bit better after that.
Now that prestige classes will finally leave lab in 4.0, will GGG get it right this time or will they find new ways to repeat old mistakes?
Last edited by EnjoyTheJourney#0109 on Jan 4, 2018, 2:55:30 PM
This thread is as facepalm worthy as expected.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:
this is my posting account.


Why does one need such a thing?
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Xavathos wrote:
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Severance2hBlade wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:
Lab is absolutely fine. It's unique and not for everyone, clearly, but it's not unfair or broken or required to progress.


Since you believe it's unique & not for everyone, why gate Ascendancy Points behind it? Because those points essentially everyone needs.

Unless you just mean that Ascendancy Points are not required to progress, is that it? Does that also mean that they aren't a requirement for endgame content?


Since when do you need Ascendancy points? You need Ascendancy points as much as you need stash tabs. Or are you one of those claiming P2W on PoE over that as well? Then I need not say more.


Just look at build guides EVERY build guide has a chapter about Ascendancy points often stating things like: "We take xyz because it's so powerful" or "We need xyz for this build to work"

Show me ONE build guide who says "We don't utilize Ascendancy points" an you win this argument otherwise please stop lying to us and yourself and shut up.
"This is a Buff"
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But we just recently discovered the true cause of this unlikely event:
By the time GGG manage to balance their game.
Last edited by restinpieces0815#2549 on Jan 4, 2018, 3:48:35 PM
As a Standard player of 2+ years, I take some offense at this implication that people without challenge completions are disqualified from having valid opinions.


Also, let's for the sake of argument get on board this idea that Ascendancy points are somehow optional, even though they give fucking massive power boosts to builds. Does that make it acceptable to have tedious, un-fun content in the game? Does your idea of a good game allow for putting in crap content as long as it's not absolutely mandatory to play?
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restinpieces0815 wrote:
Just look at build guides EVERY build guide has a chapter about Ascendancy points often stating things like: "We take xyz because it's so powerful" or "We need xyz for this build to work"

Show me ONE build guide who says "We don't utilize Ascendancy points" an you win this argument otherwise please stop lying to us and yourself and shut up.


Build guides include Ascendancy points, because they are worth their salt. They acknowledge that the Lab is a part of the game. You see, most of us take what we can get and are thankful for it. We don't spend our time complaining that things are not freely given, least of all things as powerful as Ascendancy points. Be glad it's not behind an RNG wall beyond finding the uber trials, because that would likely be the alternative, had it not been a straight up trial by fire.

If I wanted things handed to me on a silver platter, I'd go to a fancy restaurant. I come to Wraeclast for a challenge and the Lab is a part of that.

Remember this: Your disgust of it only emboldens the fact that it is doing exactly what it was meant to do, to be in your way. Please do carry on in proving my point for me.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
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Xavathos wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:
First, the statement was "Most of which don't even play the game at all". Looking at league challenge completions as you suggest, it appears to flat out prove Xavathos's statement as false. Looking at this thread very roughly it looks like maybe 3 people don't have any league challenge completions at all and are in the category that Xavathos is maligning. There are way more than that in that same maligned category that do have challenge completions. So it seems to flat out prove Xavatho's statement as false.

However the 3 or so people that do not have challenge completions could be playing standard and so can't be assumed that they don't play. Heck, I've played way more standard myself this league. Very frequently I play only in standard during a league. Especially after the introduction of the loathsome labyrinth content. For example, you must remember your assertion last year that you knew better than me how long it had been since I had not been playing PoE prior to release 3.0. You even said I was lying about it. I politely informed you that I had been playing standard. I thought perhaps you would apologize for your thoughtless error. You didn't apologize, apparently because you lack honor. When I later let you know that you owed me an apology you stated that I was not being nice to you and that "if you can't say something nice about someone then you shouldn't say anything at all". That is a good general rule that you should have followed instead of claiming that I was being untruthful about how long I had not played PoE prior to release 3.0.


You can dance around the point as much as you want, you're not baiting me anymore. You know of whom I speak and you know I'm right, despite what you may say to bolster what's left of your opinion regarding the "loathsome" Lab.

Oh, TD... another year, another Labyrinth. :)


I certainly do not know who you're talking about and you're FLAT OUT WRONG

Taken from this thread, here's people in the group that you maligned and how many league challenges they have completed. The list is in order of their first posts in this thread.

0 restinpieces
Completed 11 Challenges Turtledove
Completed 18 Challenges KiadawP
Completed 20 Challenges arye
Completed 25 Challenges gandhar0
0 suszterpatt
Completed 2 Challenges EnjoyTheJourney
Completed 10 Challenges Zaludoz
Completed 27 Challenges Кроля
Completed 25 Challenges Apachy
Completed 40 Challenges aldorus
Completed 36 Challenges Pyrokar
Completed 25 Challenges Dudebag
Completed 8 Challenges k1rage
0 deteego
Completed 14 Challenges Miazga
Completed 8 Challenges Severance2hBlade
Completed 2 Challenges ThorneGrey
Completed 24 Challenges Doomstryver

You falsely claimed that most people in the above list do not play this game at all. Looking at completed league challenges, it proves that you were flat out wrong. As I pointed out even the 3 players with zero completed challenges could still be playing PoE but just playing in standard. Your trolling and falsehoods have been debunked Xavathos. It was not even close.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!

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