F the labyrinth

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/215160060?t=4h49m35s
Another streamer expressing his disdain over labyrinth. Afterwards (or before that) he explains how silly the way trap damage works is and how labyrinth is one of the major reasons he doesn't want to start over in hc.

Another one bites the dust. When are you gonna listen GGG?
I'm a forum warrior, i was born to post, raised to defend my league. Now my post has been removed, chained and exiled by mods who Ban. Ban is my brother; i do not fear it. I see it in the eyes of men and beasts that i troll. It will take me to play the actual game when i am ready and i am not ready.
Last edited by Pyrokar#6587 on Jan 4, 2018, 1:17:22 AM
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Pyrokar wrote:
When are you gonna listen GGG?


GGG does listen, however this thread is rats nest of mud slinging and it is difficult for them to actually extract the information that is worthwhile. Simply put, it has become a heated debate not because people are being difficult, it's because both sides are passionate about PoE and both sides have the best interests of PoE at heart. It's actually a really good thing that the community is so passionate.

I am a new player and will most likely be crucified but I have been following the thread.

I don't mean to be "that guy" but maybe another approach is required?


A simple suggestion could be something along the lines of:

Pros
- Bosses are fun
- Layouts are unique enough


Cons
- Traps are OP
- Too many trash mobs

It will allow GGG to easily see the reoccurring issues and see what they are doing right. PoE is a living organism, constantly growing and evolving.

Often the right approach has more effect than having the loudest voice...
Last edited by ThorneGrey#3773 on Jan 4, 2018, 2:40:56 AM
I am sorry but lab is just not for regular people and it shows I have a lvl 81 Inquisitor who just before I ran lab went into a lvl 74 map. I ran the entire map no deaths or even close killed the boss and no map drop BTW. I then ran lab suppose to be lvl 68 and boss one shot me ok my bad I had a curse on me and did not have a flask. I went back with flask in hand and boom one shot me ?? lvl 74 boss tickles lvl 68 boss one shot me there is something wrong here .you can call me whatever but a new person trying to play this game will also say hmm this is strange I just got ripped by a lvl 68 boss why ?
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ThorneGrey wrote:
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Pyrokar wrote:
When are you gonna listen GGG?


GGG does listen, however this thread is rats nest of mud slinging and it is difficult for them to actually extract the information that is worthwhile. Simply put, it has become a heated debate not because people are being difficult, it's because both sides are passionate about PoE and both sides have the best interests of PoE at heart. It's actually a really good thing that the community is so passionate.

I am a new player and will most likely be crucified but I have been following the thread.

I don't mean to be "that guy" but maybe another approach is required?


A simple suggestion could be something along the lines of:

Pros
- Bosses are fun
- Layouts are unique enough


Cons
- Traps are OP
- Too many trash mobs

It will allow GGG to easily see the reoccurring issues and see what they are doing right. PoE is a living organism, constantly growing and evolving.

Often the right approach has more effect than having the loudest voice...

It has already been discussed that way to great lengths. Take this thread as an example
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216/page/1

The problem is tha GGG doesn't want to acknowledge or take drastic measures against something, which can only be described as a failure that alienates or drives people away from their game, probably because of stubbornness.
I'm a forum warrior, i was born to post, raised to defend my league. Now my post has been removed, chained and exiled by mods who Ban. Ban is my brother; i do not fear it. I see it in the eyes of men and beasts that i troll. It will take me to play the actual game when i am ready and i am not ready.
Last edited by Pyrokar#6587 on Jan 4, 2018, 3:49:50 AM
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Pyrokar wrote:

It has already been discussed that way to great lengths. Take this thread as an example
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216/page/1

The problem is tha GGG doesn't want to acknowledge or take drastic measures against something that alenattes or drives people away from their game probably because of stubbornness.


I get you, sorry didn't see that thread
ThorneGrey:

There's a more technical term that explains POE's stance on Labyrinth. It's called "escalation of commitment" and you can read about it on wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment

The self-justification theory probably fits this situation best.

A steady stream of dislike and hate has been aimed at lab since it was introduced into the game. In response to all the initial and highly negative feedback, a higher level GGG figure publicly dismissed those who disliked / hated lab as a "vocal minority" when he had no reliable way of knowing what percentage of players liked or disliked lab (and really no credibility in offering such an opinion when it was bleeding obvious he couldn't know how most players felt about lab, given that hundreds of thousands play the game).

GGG has been very slowly and quietly backing away from that earlier pronouncement, in a way, as they've learned that any public statement they make about labyrinth receives a fire hose of dislike and hate in response.
Now that prestige classes will finally leave lab in 4.0, will GGG get it right this time or will they find new ways to repeat old mistakes?
Last edited by EnjoyTheJourney#0109 on Jan 4, 2018, 8:14:19 AM
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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:
ThorneGrey:

There's a more technical term that explains POE's stance on Labyrinth. It's called "escalation of commitment" and you can read about it on wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment

The self-justification theory probably fits this situation best.

A steady stream of dislike and hate has been aimed at lab since it was introduced into the game. In response to all the initial and highly negative feedback, a higher level GGG figure publicly dismissed those who disliked / hated lab as a "vocal minority" when he had no reliable way of knowing what percentage of players liked or disliked lab (and really no credibility in offering such an opinion when it was bleeding obvious he couldn't know how most players felt about lab, given that hundreds of thousands play the game).

GGG has been very slowly and quietly backing away from that earlier pronouncement, in a way, as they've learned that any public statement they make about labyrinth receives a fire hose of dislike and hate in response.


A steady stream of a handful of the same vocal minority, sure. Most of which don't even play the game at all, only visit forums to spew toxicity.

I'm for one relieved to see GGG not granting these people what they so crave, acknowledged attention. It's a better game for it.

Lab is absolutely fine. It's unique and not for everyone, clearly, but it's not unfair or broken or required to progress.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
Lab sucks. Still on 1/100 for uber izaro kills this league, and will probably stay there unless I bother to make a new character.
21/05/18 - The beginning of the end of PoE
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Doomstryver wrote:
Lab sucks. Still on 1/100 for uber izaro kills this league, and will probably stay there unless I bother to make a new character.


...I rest my case. -.-'
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
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Xavathos wrote:


A steady stream of a handful of the same vocal minority, sure. Most of which don't even play the game at all, only visit forums to spew toxicity.


Any evidence for your silly assertion Xavathos or are you just making up nonsense as a trolling exercise?
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!

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