150 points map tab bollocks BONUS: Fragment tab is 75 points, totaling at 22,5$!

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goetzjam wrote:

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Perq wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

I swear OP would complain about anything and everything that doens't matter if given the time.

The fragment tab is overpriced, ironically I have 71 points left and it cost 75. I've spent over 2 grand supporting this game and I'm 4 points off from being able to buy it....LUL


That being said, it fits in similar nature to me as essence and div card tabs, they arent necessary and so as long as GGG doesn't add this "smart deposit loot" that some idiotic people want (because they cant think of any negatives to easier storage, especially behind a paywall of all the special tabs) then stuff like this is fine.

Buy it if you want, don't if you don't care.

Its optional.

So, stash tabs are not pay2win, and give no advantage, but smart deposit loot (that you sticked to, for some add reason, continuously harassing one person) is absolutely terrible?

Now, tell me how much I would complain about everything and can't look at things rationally. You clearly can separate your own bias, lol.

That said: fragments are not to be stackable outside of the fragment tab. They said it is so by design. Everyone knows why - because if they were stackable even to 3, nobody would bother with fragment tab.
And that is as cynical as it gets. Sorry.

No one is limited on space, you can do everything "functionally" as well on a free account with 20 mule characters and a paid account with 4 additional premium tabs.

The difference here is that I am complaining about giving a functionality to special tabs, that have no free alternative. Functionally they work differently and can save a significant amount of time. People think this time is so little because its only XX per map, but its quite substantial and its far more useful then "raw" stash space.


As for "picking on" someone, when they make statements in support of your "efforts" here. But also want the instant deposit option for premium tabs then they are trying to double dip on the action and benefit from something, just because they paid money.

You argue that mule characters, which cost a huge amount of time, fully compensate for purchased stash tabs. That is at odds and completely hypocritical position that automatic deposit for specialty tabs saving a very small amount of time is somehow not okay because it provides too much advantage is ridiculous.

If you want to resolve your hypocrite position then I suggest you instead argue that a better solution is to have a more flexible implementation where one can specify that a regular or premium tabs have an added attribute (currency, fragments, essences, divination cards, or map) that could specify where these items would be automatically placed. Or don't since since your current position provides far more amusement to the forum.

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Turtledove wrote:

You argue that mule characters, which cost a huge amount of time, fully compensate for purchased stash tabs. That is at odds and completely hypocritical position that automatic deposit for specialty tabs saving a very small amount of time is somehow not okay because it provides too much advantage is ridiculous.

If you want to resolve your hypocrite position then I suggest you instead argue that a better solution is to have a more flexible implementation where one can specify that a regular or premium tabs have an added attribute (currency, fragments, essences, divination cards, or map) that could specify where these items would be automatically placed. Or don't since since your current position provides far more amusement to the forum.

Highlighted the part that you failed.

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Miská wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

You argue that mule characters, which cost a huge amount of time, fully compensate for purchased stash tabs. That is at odds and completely hypocritical position that automatic deposit for specialty tabs saving a very small amount of time is somehow not okay because it provides too much advantage is ridiculous.

If you want to resolve your hypocrite position then I suggest you instead argue that a better solution is to have a more flexible implementation where one can specify that a regular or premium tabs have an added attribute (currency, fragments, essences, divination cards, or map) that could specify where these items would be automatically placed. Or don't since since your current position provides far more amusement to the forum.

Highlighted the part that you failed.

I agree that it is highly unlikely that he would be interested in resolving the hypocrisy of his position. That is why I started with "If".

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Turtledove wrote:

I agree that it is highly unlikely that he would be interested in resolving the hypocrisy of his position. That is why I started with "If".

Can't resolve a position I'm not in.

If you want my stance on why stash space isn't an inherit advantage feel free to read my actual post. If not don't sit there like you are high on a horse or something.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

I agree that it is highly unlikely that he would be interested in resolving the hypocrisy of his position. That is why I started with "If".

Can't resolve a position I'm not in.

If you want my stance on why stash space isn't an inherit advantage feel free to read my actual post. If not don't sit there like you are high on a horse or something.

Here's what you say about "auto deposit"

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And had all the special tabs, currency tab, div card tab, essence tab, fragment tab and map tab I could save a bunch of time by just spam clicking these, giving me a significant advantage over players that don't have special tabs.

Ultimately, there is no way to prevent an auto hotkey script that would spam this for the player, meaning players dump tabs would only contain actual items allowing them to get back to mapping and XPing faster then there free or lower paying counter parts.


I'm fine with all these special tabs offering easier ways to see or organize what you have, but if people are so lazy that they cant actually click on the appropriate tabs to deposit they should consider playing another game.

Note that the high lighted phrase above is my high light. Having to mule items between accounts would take much more time. So why is that okay? Obviously because you're being a hypocrite.

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Pyrokar wrote:

The bolded underlined and in italics word bothers me. Do you mean dishonest? As far as i know cynical doesn't mean dishonest. If you don't mean dishonest can you explain what you mean?

Most people know what ethical free to play means - they take that idea (which they promoted themselves) and use it to sell stuff. It is purposeful using the shroud of ethical free to play to actually make moneyz. That is cynical. Non-cynical way of doing this would be calling the game what it is - a regular f2p with its bollocks. Everyone would know what to expect.

So you mean dishonest in a way? Sry but looking at your post that i quoted, that would make you the cynic, not GGG. You are expressing the raw reality of the matter without any inhibitions. But i guess you can use cynic the way you used it as well in english? Maybe the word got another meaning when assimilated.

Anyway, they could have added trade functionality to regular tabs as well and leave the premium ones just for cosmetics purposes, but regular tabs are cheaper than premium so obviously they would go for the premium ones. First few days of essence league chris also surveyed global chat for their willingness to buy an essence tab if implemented. That and the implementation of div cards made it clear to me how far away from the starting ethical f2p model they tried to drift. Or maybe they were just the experiments to see how the community would react? This "battle" should have been fought then and not now. Now it's too late. GGG has proven that it is no better than any other "f2p" company with the above actions and there is hardly any going back.

With saying the above i am being cynical but not dishonest. At least in my language :P

Term cynical has two meaning, actually. At least according to wiki - one is commonly used now, as in somewhat negative way, the other is philosophy which in turn was viewed as a positive back in the days of its creation.

But yes, I mean dishonesty, more or less. That paired with the fact they are using term ethical free to play which people associate with 0 pay to win, which isn't true anymore.

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Perq wrote:

Term cynical has two meaning, actually. At least according to wiki - one is commonly used now, as in somewhat negative way, the other is philosophy which in turn was viewed as a positive back in the days of its creation.

But yes, less I mean dishonesty, more or less. That paired with the fact they are using term ethical free to play which people associate with 0 pay to win, which isn't true anymore.

From your perspective only. And you try hard to impose that point of view on all who dont agree.